How would you prove that you're from the future?
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Say that you suddenly wake up in the year 1875. You end up talking to someone and you want to convince them that you’re from the future. How do you do that?
If I wake up in 1875 right where I am and a birch tree hasn't appeared through my chest, then I'm a half hour hike away from Fort Saskatchewan. A North West Mounted Police outpost+jail and they'll speak English I can understand in 1875.
In 1879 they'll hang a whiskey addicted Cree man who killed and ate his six children, his wife, mother, and brother. Swift Runner or Ka-Ki-Si-Kutchin. Got kicked out of the fort (I think he worked there? So he might be around already), and then his own tribe kicked his dysfunctional ass out too before he did this.
From Canada Day I wandered through a few times the new replica Fort the city built and read the history placards. So I'd also know a few of policeman names, some trivia about them, and how some of them would die. Mostly by fighting natives. Most of them were cunts frankly. Yes yes very surprising to nobody.
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Say that you suddenly wake up in the year 1875. You end up talking to someone and you want to convince them that you’re from the future. How do you do that?
I'd be in my own house, although it may look a little different. The guy that lives there would, presumably, be very confused. So I'd show him pictures of it on my phone and he would probably be even more confused and probably burn me alive as a witch.
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It was purely a theoretical question, wasn't it
But how would you get a job without your social security number? /s (sorry, from another thread that someone took too seriously)
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I would speak Polish and it would be enough proof with the right story to convince someone. I would be then immidietely killed for danger to the Russification and Germanisation efforts.
(Poland didn't exist in 1875)
Hey, Ludrol. "A bip a shap a slip a tap a eyshioni" [I am from the year 4877 and I speak Bippy, a language of the Bipp Republic of Darkness a country that won't exist for another thousand years.
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California's gold rush was 1849.
Aw, dammit. See, I would have showed up as late to that party as if I had done it today.
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Say that you suddenly wake up in the year 1875. You end up talking to someone and you want to convince them that you’re from the future. How do you do that?
Hmm. I would need to first be vaccinated vs. yellow fever, because apparently that hit so hard right then it left only a few hundred people. My own house is from 1940, though it's in the city now it was not developed yet. Holy fuck, it's also Reconstruction right after the civil war.
I don't think I would even try. Would be enough of a struggle finding a way to survive. And if we have learned one thing from science fiction, it's don't mess with the timeline.
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Hey, Ludrol. "A bip a shap a slip a tap a eyshioni" [I am from the year 4877 and I speak Bippy, a language of the Bipp Republic of Darkness a country that won't exist for another thousand years.
It won't work for Bipp Republic of Darkness in 2025 but for Poland in 1875 it would. Recently the January Uprising of 1863 has failed. The people will want to believe that Poland will exist in the future and that their sacrifice wasn't/was* in vain. Due to emotional baggage of occupation it will work as people want hope and believe that they will win. I am not calling to logic but to emotions.
Poland is a country with thousand years of history.
*Depends if I will tak to Pozytywista or Romantyk
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I would show them Fortnite dances unimaginable to their primitive minds.
Elvis Presley dancing was considered borderline obscene not that long ago comparatively, so you might end up in the sanitarium if you said "hey, watch me floss!"
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Hehe
This made me read the second post like they were trying to stealth infiltrate pineapple on pizza into the culture...
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It won't work for Bipp Republic of Darkness in 2025 but for Poland in 1875 it would. Recently the January Uprising of 1863 has failed. The people will want to believe that Poland will exist in the future and that their sacrifice wasn't/was* in vain. Due to emotional baggage of occupation it will work as people want hope and believe that they will win. I am not calling to logic but to emotions.
Poland is a country with thousand years of history.
*Depends if I will tak to Pozytywista or Romantyk
I guess I don't know enough European history. Which means that when I say "that makes a lot of sense. You have convinced me" it means very very little and you should not feel like you have won any debate.
Just kidding. The Bipp Republic supports your methods.
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Say that you suddenly wake up in the year 1875. You end up talking to someone and you want to convince them that you’re from the future. How do you do that?
I'd probably be burned for witchcraft or be shot for it, but let people listen to my mechanical heart valve.
I imagine the average person would 100% freak out over hearing it. A ticking sound? Inside a person's heart? In a time when mechanical body parts aren't normal or really all that existent? That's a burning as a wizard or being shot as an overreaction.
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I would speak Polish and it would be enough proof with the right story to convince someone. I would be then immidietely killed for danger to the Russification and Germanisation efforts.
(Poland didn't exist in 1875)
Wouldn’t they just identify you as a subversive from 1875, instead of a liberated person from the future?
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A gas powered engine, for sure. That's why I said the telephone might not end up holding up. Spark, fuel/oxygen varies by carburetor. Contained in a cylinder. Head pushed up, attach to opposite side, and get your sparks in sync. Carburators don't need electronics so I wouldn't try for fuel injectors at that time. All you need is a working concept and evidence it can work for a patent really. Then anyone who comes about wanting to use the concept, say Mercedes in Europe or Ford after in the U.S. and you take your payouts. Don't need to continue making the products. Invest the earnings into battery research. Paying researchers and giving them the information that we can beat lead acid with nickle cadmium and eventually lithium ion should get us pushed into a company patenting the future of battery tech for that time. Throw in sodium ion based for shits and we've got the future of all batteries for 100 years paying a fragment of production.
*Note by in sync you should be able to instigate the spark just using the downward stroke of the opposite head. So the time could never be off, just have to ensure your spark stays connected to the aforementioned lead acid batteries that we are looking to phase out
strikes me as easier to make a working prototype of a phone. at least if simple speakers and mics already exist. did they?
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strikes me as easier to make a working prototype of a phone. at least if simple speakers and mics already exist. did they?
The microphone was part of Alexander Graham Bells invention I believe. I assume speaker was included as well, otherwise what would it be used for, the radio wasn't around yet
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Say that you suddenly wake up in the year 1875. You end up talking to someone and you want to convince them that you’re from the future. How do you do that?
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Say that you suddenly wake up in the year 1875. You end up talking to someone and you want to convince them that you’re from the future. How do you do that?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]So, as far as a casual one on one conversation, I don't know. But some sort of formal petition to the public or a person of power, I would look for known geological activities like earthquakes and volcanic eruptions before going back in time. Weather events are too fickle. We can't really affect geological events though.
It looks like Mount Iliamna had a known eruption in 1876. You could spend a few months getting attention before it happens. The same way people who give very specific doomsday predictions do. This way, once the eruption happens everyone will be certain you're telling the truth. Or at least, most people won't think you're crazy. They may still be skeptical, but this will be enough to get people to lend you and ear and take warnings seriously. It is probably too early in the industrial revolution to really get people to slow down their progress if you want to stop climate change. A similar stunt around the time the first suppressed reports of climate change happened would be better at that.
Holocene eruptive activity from Iliamna is little known, but radiocarbon dating seems to indicate at least a few eruptions, all before the European settlement of Alaska. Prehistoric eruptions have been dated to 5050 and 2050 BCE (VEI-4), 450 BCE and 1650. Historically observed eruptions took place in 1867 (VEI-2) and 1876 (VEI-3), with unconfirmed eruptions in 1933, 1947, 1952 and 1953.[7]
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So I guess, if you take this seriously, you better start preparing.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Don't get it twisted. I'm not taking the question any more seriously than anyone else in this thread (including you).
The flaw in the logic of your plan didn't require any serious analysis. If you think it did, then "Thanks for the compliment, I guess."
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A gas powered engine, for sure. That's why I said the telephone might not end up holding up. Spark, fuel/oxygen varies by carburetor. Contained in a cylinder. Head pushed up, attach to opposite side, and get your sparks in sync. Carburators don't need electronics so I wouldn't try for fuel injectors at that time. All you need is a working concept and evidence it can work for a patent really. Then anyone who comes about wanting to use the concept, say Mercedes in Europe or Ford after in the U.S. and you take your payouts. Don't need to continue making the products. Invest the earnings into battery research. Paying researchers and giving them the information that we can beat lead acid with nickle cadmium and eventually lithium ion should get us pushed into a company patenting the future of battery tech for that time. Throw in sodium ion based for shits and we've got the future of all batteries for 100 years paying a fragment of production.
*Note by in sync you should be able to instigate the spark just using the downward stroke of the opposite head. So the time could never be off, just have to ensure your spark stays connected to the aforementioned lead acid batteries that we are looking to phase out
That probably could get done, I forget that patents don't need a huge amount and you've got a much better knowledge of the intricacies of it than I do.
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The microphone was part of Alexander Graham Bells invention I believe. I assume speaker was included as well, otherwise what would it be used for, the radio wasn't around yet
I was thinking maybe gramophone or earlier precursors. But looking at those things they're mechanically coupled not electrically, so not really the same thing.
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Istr that Ramanujan claimed that Kali gave him ideas in his dreams. Maybe he was actually a mathematician from the future but decided that telling the truth would not be feasible.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I mean.... Ramanujan was the GOAT, but he was still able to do his proofs. That's more or less my point. He didn't suddenly convert a bunch of Oxford mathematicians to Hinduism because he was able to do incredible math proofs (i think they would have been similarly unconvinced he was a time traveller). The proof was in the pudding.... in the proofs.
In order to do Wile's proof of Fermat's last theorem, you have to invent 100 years of math from memory, something Wiles himself would (almost certainly) struggle to do, but maybe he could pull it off. I remember reading an article about Wile's proof, and he was incredibly humble about it, and described it as a collaborative effort between himself and his peers IIRC. The proof itself wasn't complete without a correction from another math academic IIRC. This thread is like, kind of a misunderstanding of math academics.
In 1875 you don't have ZFC set theory and Cantor's works are bleeding edge (I think Cantor's work is controversial and incomplete in this time... fuck it, maybe you should just work with Cantor himself if you can find him. Maybe he'd believe you. I didn't take math history IDK)
I cannot find a source to link to it now but I remember reading through Godel's incompleteness theorem, a proof of Fermat's theorem isn't possible without the extensions of classical mathematics that were developed in the 20th century.
You'll have to take my word for it on that last bit. I'm a time traveling dolphin, after all.
Anyway, that's more or less my point, you'd have to basically be an incredibly talented math professor (in theoretical mathematics, not applied) to demonstrate this proof to satisfaction to a bunch of professors in 1875. You'd also probably have to be white and male. It's just not something a casual lemmy poster can like, do, you know? There's a reason that Fermat's theorem wasn't proven for 350 years despite being accepted as true.
(edit: I am tired so this is rambley)
