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  • S [email protected]

    Fuck by chapter book I thought they're talking about Warhammer 40k novel about a specific Space Marine chapter and they're disappointed because they don't want to read 40k novels.

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    You're in too deep brother!

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      I heard schools have largely moved away from Phonics, which is wild to me. That's basically how reading was taught going back to at least medieval monks.

      I hear they're using a "look and see" method or something? Word is that its how the Chinese teach their students to read....but they don't have an alphabet, so I don't know how that's supposed to work in English.

      I have a relative who just retired from teaching and she says its a real mess in early education because of how badly this reading teaching method works, and its only worsening as students mature.

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      The Chinese do have a Roman alphabet called pinyin for educational purposes. It's very consistent phonetically.

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      • B [email protected]

        Measuring two different things. Your number: can read the words, mostly understand the words they read.

        6th graders are generally literate. However, they're not necessarily picking up on nuance, or subtleties. And they will often not take into account how the sentence they just read fits into the overall context of the piece, and they likely won't question the narrator, assuming they're reliable.

        You can imagine how half of adults being that bad at these things has colored political discourse.

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        However, they’re not necessarily picking up on nuance, or subtleties. And they will often not take into account how the sentence they just read fits into the overall context of the piece

        Which explains sooo many internet arguments.

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        • O [email protected]

          Why roast someone trying to improve? We haven't all had the same opportunities in life.

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          Why roast someone trying to improve? We haven't all had the same opportunities in life.

          Why don't you ask @[email protected], who I was responding to?

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          • boxscape@lemmy.sdf.orgB [email protected]

            Struggling how though?

            If they were struggling with the vocabulary, then that might be roastable.

            But if they meant, e.g., struggling with the themes, that might be understandable. YA books sometimes tackle difficult subjects or are subtle, layered, etc.

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            It was the general reading/vocabulary.

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            • G [email protected]

              He is an obese man in the gym. Literally nothing more admirable than someone improving themselves.

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              My spouse always says, you don't mock a sick person in hospital, why mock someone who is working to improve other aspects of themselves.

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                I had a coworker approach me on break and start telling me about a book he was reading and how much he was enjoying it. Towards the end, he mentioned struggling with it and that he wished someone had told him how great reading was earlier. We were both damn near 30, and it was a YA novel. I resisted the asshole urge to roast him because, shit, at least he's trying?

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                trust me, it is indeed easy to hate reading if you have asshole teachers. he got lucky and was able to discover reading at a later age.

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                • machinist@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                  I've known several men that were proud that they didn't read books. (Not that they read manga or anything, either.)

                  One of them, in particuular, was a grown up version of a stereotypical highschool bully. Willfully ignorant doesn't begin to describe him. I ever meet him in a dark alley, I'd fucking gut him.

                  Anyhow, this behaviour (pride in ignorance) among women is rare enough that I've never seen it. When I was doing online dating, I had great success asking what they're reading and using decent grammar and vocabulary.

                  Anti-intellectualism and willfull ignorance have a lot to do with the situation here in the US. I think it's mostly a male problem as well.

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                  Highschool bullies are just a grown up version of middle school bullies. That shit was supposed to stop there.

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                    There are regular books that don't have any chapters. Most of Terry Pratchett's Discworld Books are an example of this.

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                    That threw me when I started Guards! Guards!. I generally only have time to read at night and stop at the first chapter break after 11:00. For several nights in a row I was reading until midnight, giving up, then forgetting by the next time. Eventually I checked ahead and realized there weren't any, but a lot of his 'sections' are chapter sized, so it works out.

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                      I had a friend tell me that she didn't learn to read until she was like eight. Ya never really know where people come from. All of our lives are so different.

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                      I wasn't capable of reading completely on my own until I was nine years old. I also made top grades in all of my college English classes. Where you start doesn't necessarily dictate where you'll end up, especially if you enjoy an activity as much as I enjoyed reading.

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                        Chapter books belong in the Chapter House (Dune)

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                          Highschool bullies are just a grown up version of middle school bullies. That shit was supposed to stop there.

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                          And many of them never grow out of it and become President.

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                          • renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zoneR [email protected]

                            wtf is a "chapter book"?

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                            Literally just a book that isn't made for children.

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                            • apeman42@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                              I'm not a huge manga fan myself, so I'll share the only one that's managed to make enough of an impression for me to read multiple works, and that's horror author Junji Ito.

                              He's usually got some disturbing, but unique and fairly talented art. Some of his stuff veers more towards ghost story, some dreamishly weird, and some straight up Cronenberg shit. His magnum opus "Uzumaki" is all three.

                              If you feel like giving it a chance, here's The Enigma of Amigara Fault, a shorter, tamer work that's a fairly common intro to his stuff.

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                              Literally was going to recommend Ito... Shit is so good.

                              The recent manga versions of H.P. Lovecraft's work have been cool too (with amazing cover art).

                              Also someone who generally doesn't enjoy anime/manga, but there's some out there that I like.

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                                Schools in the US stopped teaching phonics.

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                                Not all of them did, just those that bought into these right wing grifters' program. Most that did are reversing it, though, because it has been disastrous.

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                                  Not all of them did, just those that bought into these right wing grifters' program. Most that did are reversing it, though, because it has been disastrous.

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                                  At least 25 states, including big districts like New York City and Chicago. Even internationally.

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                                    However, they’re not necessarily picking up on nuance, or subtleties. And they will often not take into account how the sentence they just read fits into the overall context of the piece

                                    Which explains sooo many internet arguments.

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                                    God damn, it does.

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                                      If there's no pictures children won't read them.

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                                        I had a coworker approach me on break and start telling me about a book he was reading and how much he was enjoying it. Towards the end, he mentioned struggling with it and that he wished someone had told him how great reading was earlier. We were both damn near 30, and it was a YA novel. I resisted the asshole urge to roast him because, shit, at least he's trying?

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                                        We've all got to start somewhere.

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                                          I can't read without pictures!

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                                          Actually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.

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