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  • machinist@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

    I've known several men that were proud that they didn't read books. (Not that they read manga or anything, either.)

    One of them, in particuular, was a grown up version of a stereotypical highschool bully. Willfully ignorant doesn't begin to describe him. I ever meet him in a dark alley, I'd fucking gut him.

    Anyhow, this behaviour (pride in ignorance) among women is rare enough that I've never seen it. When I was doing online dating, I had great success asking what they're reading and using decent grammar and vocabulary.

    Anti-intellectualism and willfull ignorance have a lot to do with the situation here in the US. I think it's mostly a male problem as well.

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    Highschool bullies are just a grown up version of middle school bullies. That shit was supposed to stop there.

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      There are regular books that don't have any chapters. Most of Terry Pratchett's Discworld Books are an example of this.

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      That threw me when I started Guards! Guards!. I generally only have time to read at night and stop at the first chapter break after 11:00. For several nights in a row I was reading until midnight, giving up, then forgetting by the next time. Eventually I checked ahead and realized there weren't any, but a lot of his 'sections' are chapter sized, so it works out.

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        I had a friend tell me that she didn't learn to read until she was like eight. Ya never really know where people come from. All of our lives are so different.

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        I wasn't capable of reading completely on my own until I was nine years old. I also made top grades in all of my college English classes. Where you start doesn't necessarily dictate where you'll end up, especially if you enjoy an activity as much as I enjoyed reading.

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          Chapter books belong in the Chapter House (Dune)

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            Highschool bullies are just a grown up version of middle school bullies. That shit was supposed to stop there.

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            And many of them never grow out of it and become President.

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            • renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zoneR [email protected]

              wtf is a "chapter book"?

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              Literally just a book that isn't made for children.

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              • apeman42@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                I'm not a huge manga fan myself, so I'll share the only one that's managed to make enough of an impression for me to read multiple works, and that's horror author Junji Ito.

                He's usually got some disturbing, but unique and fairly talented art. Some of his stuff veers more towards ghost story, some dreamishly weird, and some straight up Cronenberg shit. His magnum opus "Uzumaki" is all three.

                If you feel like giving it a chance, here's The Enigma of Amigara Fault, a shorter, tamer work that's a fairly common intro to his stuff.

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                Literally was going to recommend Ito... Shit is so good.

                The recent manga versions of H.P. Lovecraft's work have been cool too (with amazing cover art).

                Also someone who generally doesn't enjoy anime/manga, but there's some out there that I like.

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                  Schools in the US stopped teaching phonics.

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                  Not all of them did, just those that bought into these right wing grifters' program. Most that did are reversing it, though, because it has been disastrous.

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                    Not all of them did, just those that bought into these right wing grifters' program. Most that did are reversing it, though, because it has been disastrous.

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                    At least 25 states, including big districts like New York City and Chicago. Even internationally.

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                      However, they’re not necessarily picking up on nuance, or subtleties. And they will often not take into account how the sentence they just read fits into the overall context of the piece

                      Which explains sooo many internet arguments.

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                      God damn, it does.

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                        If there's no pictures children won't read them.

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                          I had a coworker approach me on break and start telling me about a book he was reading and how much he was enjoying it. Towards the end, he mentioned struggling with it and that he wished someone had told him how great reading was earlier. We were both damn near 30, and it was a YA novel. I resisted the asshole urge to roast him because, shit, at least he's trying?

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                          We've all got to start somewhere.

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                            I can't read without pictures!

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                            Actually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.

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                              Actually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.

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                              As someone who has never been a big book reader (though I read tech manuals and news articles), I finally figured out I probably have aphantasia. This finally connected a lot of dots for me.

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                                It was the general reading/vocabulary.

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                                I don't think it matters in this context. Person is trying to get into reading, nothing roastable about that.

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                                  Terry does include breaks and beats in the stories that many other authors would adorn as a new chapter, but he never does. honestly imo that makes things almost filmic - for example where a switch in perspective usually prompts a new chapter and pushes an author to make it longer, Terry can just write a single page or even a few paragraphs to tease you a bit of what's going on elsewhere in the story, and then go back to the usual perspective but now with the added context & tension

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                                  that makes things almost filmic

                                  His early books literally started with a visual description of the reader's imagination "camera" gradually focusing on Great A'Tuin, the Disc, whatever region the action was going to happen in, and so on.

                                  Filmic is exactly what he was going for.

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                                  • machinist@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                    I've known several men that were proud that they didn't read books. (Not that they read manga or anything, either.)

                                    One of them, in particuular, was a grown up version of a stereotypical highschool bully. Willfully ignorant doesn't begin to describe him. I ever meet him in a dark alley, I'd fucking gut him.

                                    Anyhow, this behaviour (pride in ignorance) among women is rare enough that I've never seen it. When I was doing online dating, I had great success asking what they're reading and using decent grammar and vocabulary.

                                    Anti-intellectualism and willfull ignorance have a lot to do with the situation here in the US. I think it's mostly a male problem as well.

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                                    Have you ever done any sort of IT support? I was internal IT in my first job and we had those people. It was mostly women 50+ years old who were proud that they know nothing about computers and would actively avoid listening when I tried to tell them how to do something trivial. Even when it was part of their jobs to do it. Then they would ask for help with the same stupid shit a few weeks later.

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                                    • grrgyle@slrpnk.netG [email protected]

                                      Actually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.

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                                      as a reader and writer with aphantasia, it's literally never once mattered to me. i love a good fantasy and just don't consider visualizing an obligate part of the experience. though i could definitely understand how it might be helpful

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                                      • renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zoneR [email protected]

                                        wtf is a "chapter book"?

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                                        It's like a webnovel but not necessarily web.

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                                          I had a coworker approach me on break and start telling me about a book he was reading and how much he was enjoying it. Towards the end, he mentioned struggling with it and that he wished someone had told him how great reading was earlier. We were both damn near 30, and it was a YA novel. I resisted the asshole urge to roast him because, shit, at least he's trying?

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                                          It's better to read what you enjoy than what you "should" be reading.

                                          Given enough time, they'll maybe become the same thing anyway.

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