Signal will finally let you transfer your encrypted chat history to new linked devices

[supernova1051@sh.itjust.works]

Privacy and security is all about threat modeling. Signal meets 100% of the security needs of everyone I communicate with in my region of the world. There's no need (especially now that you can hide phone numbers) for the added security benefits of SimpleX.

Additionally, my experience in using SimpleX over the last year+ is that message delivery is not reliable yet. This has forced me and the few people I've been testing it with to fall back to Signal multiple times. Because of these reliability issues and lacking UX, I don't feel comfortable pushing it on others, knowing the tolerance level is low for message delivery failures and UX that isn't yet up to par with other messaging apps.

[supernova1051@sh.itjust.works]

XMPP only does message encryption. Signal has spent tons of engineering time and effort to minimize the collection of metadata, not just encryption of message content.

[treadful@lemmy.zip]

What’s even the point of writing anything if it’s just gonna be gone in like a week?

We are all but dust, my friend.

What value are you getting out of deleting them? Are you low on storage or something? Or some sort of minimal living life-in-my-backpack type?

I already gave my reasons. I don't want a history of my conversations that can be leaked. I enjoy my privacy. And I have no other reasons to keep them. I was just looking for an actual reason to keep these because I just don't get it. And I guess you've got nothing to offer there. Which is fine, I was just trying to understand.

Monetary value isn’t the only kind of value to me I guess.

Implying that the only value I recognize is monetary? Don't be a dick.

[noisefree@lemmy.world]

Good to know!

[alecsadler@sh.itjust.works]

I heard that too...1ish years ago and Molly still seems to work okay. I would assume by now that Signal knows they exist, so hopefully they'll keep playing nice.

[engineergaming@feddit.nl]

Yeah, true! However, you also have to trust their server not to log what is available to them (including your whole social graph), while with XMPP you can SSH into your server and see that its retention is exactly as you expected. But yeah, the issue remains when interacting with other servers - tho even then there the data is more evenly distributed between different servers with different owners.

[thomascrappersghost@feddit.uk]

Unfortunately it seems like some people think that that is neutral.

[phoenixz@lemmy.ca]

So is there a signal alternative that is fully open source and not under control of one single company?

Bett as I understand it, it's still from a company and still locked to the whims of a CEO and I'm done with that.

What's the best alternative?

[ozymandias117@lemmy.world]

Matrix as a protocol, and the official client is Element.

I'm baffled Signal didn't support transferring chats... I thought it was supposed to be easier than Matrix

[earthman@my-place.social]

@ForgottenFlux @phoenixz
I'm not sure how it compares, but I'm enjoying XMPP with OMEMO

[laintrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

We are all but dust, my friend.

That's very fatalistic. In the end, unfortunately, for now, maybe, but that doesn't mean the journey doesn't have memories worth making and things worth keeping, especially when it comes to our bonds with others, and especially when it's just undeniably useful, or we'd never have invented writing.

And I guess you've got nothing to offer there

I mean I gave the reasons many times over? From personal to purely practical. If they don't seem to have value to you, that's on you. I don't know what else you want?

Implying that the only value I recognize is monetary? Don't be a dick.

You're the one who said you'd keep them for a podcast? I'm sorry, I don't mean to be a dick, i was just going off what you said.

[victorz@lemmy.world]

I know right. I wish more people used it. It's nice and simple. No fuss in the way. And especially now with chat transfers. Should be Gucci.

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Still a good time in that context 🤭

[petter1@lemm.ee]

Yea, that was what I meant to say with my comment linux phone gang rise up!

[toynbee@lemmy.world]

Fair enough.

[shape4985@lemmy.ml]

Simplex chat is a great alternative. I use both signal and simplex simultaneously

[shape4985@lemmy.ml]

You need a phone number to register but then you can create a username and choose to hide your number

[pedroapero@lemmy.ml]

indeed, I have this daily archive backed-up via syncthing like any other data.

[supernova1051@sh.itjust.works]

Last I checked Threema was at least just as good as Signal. Unfortunately Threema is a paid app, which makes it really difficult to for me to recommend as there are many opposed to paying for apps for various reasons. I stick with Signal and even being free (I do donate monthly) I've struggled to get people to switch. I find Signals approach of being donation funded to be more equitable and accessible.