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John Oliver launches "Make yourself less valuable to Meta" website, suggests Signal, Mastodon, Pixelfed, and BlueSky as Meta alternatives

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  • A [email protected]

    I think the main red flag is that they are spending so much money. In 2023 they had 55m monthly active users and they spent $35m. The casual WhatsApp user that might switch to Signal is definitely not gonna pay for this so either Signal fans have to donate more or Signal has to start finding other monetization which if we look at other companies means selling private data.

    (Also, half their spending is on hosting and they are not self hosting so a donation to Signal is basically a donation to Amazon and Google.)

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    #120

    Signal doesn't have private data to sell; that's the whole point.

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      Signal doesn't have private data to sell; that's the whole point.

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      And my point is that since their costs are so high they will either have to become a paid app or start collecting data to sell. Or become more efficient but you’d think if they knew how they’d already done that.

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      • W [email protected]

        either Signal fans have to donate more or Signal has to start finding other monetization which if we look at other companies means selling private data.

        Lo and behold, after RiseUp now Signal is accused of selling data. Well, it is well known (and audited) that Signal keeps so little metadata it is not even useful to the authorities that have subpoeana-ed it.

        This is an extra-ordinary claim you have to back with extra-ordinary evidence, in order to save face.

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        #122

        Where did I accuse them of selling data right now? I’m simply noting the risk that they will have to cover the insane costs of their inefficient infrastructure through either becoming a paid app or collecting data to sell.

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        • B [email protected]

          I reckon Lemmy is actually pretty good. I wouldn't know if the mobile apps are good, because I don't use those - but for me the core functionality of Lemmy on my computer is smooth and functional. I don't see any obvious low-hanging-fruit.

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          #123

          Voyager ist amazing

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          • B [email protected]

            I reckon Lemmy is actually pretty good. I wouldn't know if the mobile apps are good, because I don't use those - but for me the core functionality of Lemmy on my computer is smooth and functional. I don't see any obvious low-hanging-fruit.

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            #124

            Boost is great for Android.

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            • G [email protected]

              ::: spoiler mildly NSFW?



              :::

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              #125

              Just imagine being a artist, doing furry because you love it or maybe just because it pays your bills. And then someone from HBO contacts you about commissioning a picture of John Oliver as a horny otter in skintight jorts.

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              • J [email protected]

                Yeah but lots of german.

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                #126

                Yes, those too

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                  How is Signal not privacy-friendly? It's the most private thing that can be called a "messenger app".

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                  #127

                  The most private thing for messenger app are the messenger applications using the XMPP protocol.

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                    John Oliver cited a 5000% rise in search queries related to leaving Meta and deleting accounts. Among the topics mentioned in the analysis, attention was drawn to early Facebook's naivete with regard to moderation requirements, the constitutional framework, and a history of governmental interference.

                    Oliver debunks common right-wing "cry censorship" talking points, as well as the objective difficulty of moderation endeavors, and how direct threats by Trump may have influenced Zuckerberg's turnaround.

                    Oliver went on to suggest Signal, Mastodon, Bluesky, and Pixelfed as alternatives that "do not seem as desperate to fall in line with Trump". For those reluctant to completely ditch Meta, Oliver revealed a new site with step-by-step instructions to "make yourself less valuable to them".

                    The guide was a collaboration with the EFF, and includes settings' tweaks for Facebook and Meta, whose 98% of revenue comes from micro-targeting ads, the host previously cited, to increase privacy, and recommends Firefox, Privacy Badger, as "other measures" to take in order "to block advertisers and other third parties from tracking you".

                    The segment culminated in a mock advert, in which the new Meta's approach to moderation is coined as "Fuck it", and hints to racism, internet scams, and calls to genocide running rampant on Meta's platforms.

                    The clip reminds the origins of Facebook as a site to "rank college girls by hotness", and its implication in genocide in Myanmar, which was more thoroughly discussed in an Oliver's previous special on Facebook in 2018.

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                    #128

                    Correct me if wrong, but isn't there a law in the us that says, all us companies have to give the government access to all data without disclosing this information? That would rule out any us based companies for privacy concerns as alternatives atm.

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                      ::: spoiler mildly NSFW?



                      :::

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                      #129

                      My app. Connect for Lemmy on android, switches between hidden text/visible text. I cannot click on the link.

                      This is one of the reasons Lemmy is not ready.

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                      • B [email protected]

                        I reckon Lemmy is actually pretty good. I wouldn't know if the mobile apps are good, because I don't use those - but for me the core functionality of Lemmy on my computer is smooth and functional. I don't see any obvious low-hanging-fruit.

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                        #130

                        Boost on Android works well. It does for me at least.

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                        • K [email protected]

                          My app. Connect for Lemmy on android, switches between hidden text/visible text. I cannot click on the link.

                          This is one of the reasons Lemmy is not ready.

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                          #131

                          Or maybe just your app isn't ready, and you should switch apps (it renders correctly as an image hidden behind a toggle on Voyager).

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                          • M [email protected]

                            Correct me if wrong, but isn't there a law in the us that says, all us companies have to give the government access to all data without disclosing this information? That would rule out any us based companies for privacy concerns as alternatives atm.

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                            #132

                            You should expect any data hosted on a server to be accessible by the given government…and thanks to NSA you should expect any data that travels through the US to be accessible by their government

                            Privacy in this case is around the selling to advertisers

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                            • D [email protected]

                              She isn’t a Republican based on the last 30 seconds..

                              https://youtu.be/ESlnpceQ3zA

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                              Hope it's true. I was fairly disappointed when finding out Stephen Colbert returned to catholicism after being atheist.

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                              • G [email protected]

                                It's not just the tankie stuff. Tbf this place at times feels like the far left version of 4chan, and I say that as a very left person. Reddit's upvote system has always had an issue with brigading/dog piling leading to hostile discussions and echo chambers. In Lemmy, the issue is worse because it feels like most of the people who were drawn here are deeply tied to that culture from Reddit. By contrast, Reddit has a lot more young and innocent people to soften things.

                                I quit/deleted my Reddit account many years ago, before Lemmy's rise in popularity. I just come here every once in a while because I like decentralized/fediverse stuff, but the Reddit formula really does turn me off. I can't imagine the average person having the stomach for this brand of internet discussions, regardless of political leaning. It's quite hostile and combative.

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                                You can join an instance that has downvotes disabled like Hexbear, or votes disabled entirely, or disable your ability to view them if that makes you more comfortable.

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                                  The most private thing for messenger app are the messenger applications using the XMPP protocol.

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                                  Only if both parties use encrypted extensions.

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                                  • W [email protected]

                                    John Oliver cited a 5000% rise in search queries related to leaving Meta and deleting accounts. Among the topics mentioned in the analysis, attention was drawn to early Facebook's naivete with regard to moderation requirements, the constitutional framework, and a history of governmental interference.

                                    Oliver debunks common right-wing "cry censorship" talking points, as well as the objective difficulty of moderation endeavors, and how direct threats by Trump may have influenced Zuckerberg's turnaround.

                                    Oliver went on to suggest Signal, Mastodon, Bluesky, and Pixelfed as alternatives that "do not seem as desperate to fall in line with Trump". For those reluctant to completely ditch Meta, Oliver revealed a new site with step-by-step instructions to "make yourself less valuable to them".

                                    The guide was a collaboration with the EFF, and includes settings' tweaks for Facebook and Meta, whose 98% of revenue comes from micro-targeting ads, the host previously cited, to increase privacy, and recommends Firefox, Privacy Badger, as "other measures" to take in order "to block advertisers and other third parties from tracking you".

                                    The segment culminated in a mock advert, in which the new Meta's approach to moderation is coined as "Fuck it", and hints to racism, internet scams, and calls to genocide running rampant on Meta's platforms.

                                    The clip reminds the origins of Facebook as a site to "rank college girls by hotness", and its implication in genocide in Myanmar, which was more thoroughly discussed in an Oliver's previous special on Facebook in 2018.

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                                    #136

                                    Use Magic Earth or Organic Maps instead of Google Maps too. Neither will track you.

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                                      Hope it's true. I was fairly disappointed when finding out Stephen Colbert returned to catholicism after being atheist.

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                                      #137

                                      Death is scarier for some than being associated with an organization that actively protects pedophiles, I guess.

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                                      • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                        You can join an instance that has downvotes disabled like Hexbear, or votes disabled entirely, or disable your ability to view them if that makes you more comfortable.

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                                        #138

                                        That doesn't fix anything due to federation. Dog piling discourages people from critical discussion or from asking questions from fear of having the angry mob turn on them too. It leads to shallow and one sided discussions, especially in posts with a lot of participation. The only productive discussions I've ever had either on Lemmy or on Reddit have been one-on-one comment threads in small subs/buried posts.

                                        But Lemmy knows what it wants to be, and I'm not saying it should change. It just isn't really for me.

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                                        • G [email protected]

                                          That doesn't fix anything due to federation. Dog piling discourages people from critical discussion or from asking questions from fear of having the angry mob turn on them too. It leads to shallow and one sided discussions, especially in posts with a lot of participation. The only productive discussions I've ever had either on Lemmy or on Reddit have been one-on-one comment threads in small subs/buried posts.

                                          But Lemmy knows what it wants to be, and I'm not saying it should change. It just isn't really for me.

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                                          #139

                                          I think a large part of that is magnified by being on Lemm.ee, rather than a specialized instancd, like Hexbear or slrpnk or dbzer0. The most productive conversations generally tend to be between people who mostly agree but have alternative viewpoints, otherwise it becomes a shouting match.

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