Posting for the "Now guys he was MURDERED! Don't celebrate!" Crowd
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I'm guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
Yeah, nearly every sentence he uttered could have ended with a bang.
He was like a fascist Wile E Coyote.
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Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I appreciate your level-headedness, and I definitely get where you're coming from, but I need to point out the big gaping blindspot in your argument: the crackdowns and the facism are already here, and they've pretty much demonstrated they don't particularly care for or wait for justification.
Do you see why arguing "you're giving them ammo and justification" rings very hollow at this particular point in time?
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Saying you mansplained is not an insult. So I stopped reading this message when you just made that false claim again. Later.
Yeah, your right that it technically isn't an insult, Thanks for pointing that out. Even so for some reason I doubt you are intending it to be interpreted in a positive way. If you'd like to engage with the substance of what I said instead of only criticizing my delivery (which I admit may be non-optimal), I will still be open to that. Later
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Lying for money. I hope he saved enough for his family
wrote last edited by [email protected]I feel bad for his kids, actually.
They’ll likely be raised to think their father was a martyr, so the poor things (like 1 and 3 years) will probably grow up in the alt-right-o-sphere where their dad was a martyr to the cause.
That’s very sad. They’ll likely won’t have had a chance.
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There's clearly a difference - nowhere did I claim otherwise - and neither of those statements are good!
In fact, the list of things I did not claim is endless. Hopefully that does not mean you think I'm not allowed to state arguments I do want to state:
Empathy for the people who are alike is easy, there's even a specific word for it, parochial empathy. It's empathy for people who are unlike that's hard, but necessary!
I'm being like Charlie Kirk with my empathy for Charlie Kirk.
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Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
Omg thanks for this. Far too many people are jumping on the 'celebrate his death because he was an awful person' bandwagon. No, the best thing the left can do at the moment is just to have as little reaction as possible. The right was already attacking us and every 'lmao kirk died, rest in piss bozo' comment and post just gives them more ammunition. It's not fair, but at the moment they have the power and we do not. We need to demonstrate to the masses that we are the better people, because that's how we're going to get mass support and that's how we're going to get the right-wing fascists in power voted out.
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Ding dong the witch is dead? It's hardly unusual to celebrate deaths of some public figures. Especially ones that are disliked by large numbers of people.
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He had shitty opinions, we know. I won't follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world's population improved with one less hateful person around.
You can celebrate his death without celebration his murder. I'm not from the us so what I think doesn't matter, but I think both things can be true "good thing he is dead, his killer should get proper punishment, if everyone takes justice into their own hands we lose every semblance of a functional society"
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dont insult vaginas like that. this guy doesnt have the depth or warmth
Well his neck sure has the depth, though it's not warm anymore.
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I feel bad for his kids, actually.
They’ll likely be raised to think their father was a martyr, so the poor things (like 1 and 3 years) will probably grow up in the alt-right-o-sphere where their dad was a martyr to the cause.
That’s very sad. They’ll likely won’t have had a chance.
I do too... But I wouldn't say they don't stand a chance
Their dad got shot while encouraging gun violence. That might instill some strong opinions in them
The kind of strong opinions that will likely be buried and come out later in therapy
But it could go either way
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I do too... But I wouldn't say they don't stand a chance
Their dad got shot while encouraging gun violence. That might instill some strong opinions in them
The kind of strong opinions that will likely be buried and come out later in therapy
But it could go either way
Depends. I expect his wife is just as alt-right-addled as he was, which might mean she’ll raise them to be little Nazis. I guess they might break out of that, and I hope so, but being raised alt-right with a prominent martyr to the cause as your father could seriously fuck you up. Don’t forget they’re very rich, so they’re insulated from the real world.
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Self defence =/= assassinating people you dont agree with.
His vitriol is A LOT worse than a simple disagreement. Literally, propagandists were sentenced to death in the trials after ww2 for what Charlie has done. He's not hust someone who holds vile opinions, but a banner carrier for those vile beliefs. He was a cancer on society, and no amount of your pathetic ignorance will EVER change that.
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You're right that they manufacture pretexts, but there's a crucial difference between forced fabrications and genuine ammunition. When they have to invent threats, their propaganda requires constant maintenance and reality-bending. When we hand them actual violence to point to, we transform their lies into prophecies. Yes, probability ensures incidents will occur, but the question is whether we contribute to that probability or work against it. "They'll do it anyway" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that absolves us of strategic thinking. I say, let us not make the Fascist's job easier.
Here's the thing, though, this guy isn't one of "us." I didn't egg him on, or help plan. I only knew Kirk from the tiny-face memes. The nebulous "we" isn't responsible; the shooter doesn't seem to have had a network radicalizing him. He's the proverbial lone wolf. That means he's exactly the kind of unpredictable, stochastic agent that I'm saying is out there in the world to provide the fascists their justification.
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I hear you. I was really hoping that violating children would have been the bridge too far—but so far those in power are holding on. It grieves me to wonder what more it would take.
As somebody with a lot of empathy for those in need it angers and frustrates me that the sentiment is not universal and that more is not being done.
At this point I doubt Jackboots, swasticas, or gas chambers would make a difference.
Take care of your loved ones.
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Then that would be out of character for the network. No group of people is perfect. Which is seemingly what a lot of lemmings expect. They will always be disappointed.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I've been watching PBS, listening and donating to NPR, for decades. I don't know if it's me, but it seems in the past couple years they've bent over backwards to not seem partisan. Which has made their reporting and coverage somewhat lackluster. Still better than any option out there.
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I appreciate your level-headedness, and I definitely get where you're coming from, but I need to point out the big gaping blindspot in your argument: the crackdowns and the facism are already here, and they've pretty much demonstrated they don't particularly care for or wait for justification.
Do you see why arguing "you're giving them ammo and justification" rings very hollow at this particular point in time?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yup. I totally understand why it rings hollow and why "feels good" that a Nazi died.
Authoritarianism isn't waiting for permission. Absolutely.
But there's a difference between "they don't need justification" and "justification doesn't matter." Yes, Trump was always going to crack down on dissent. But Kirk's assassination transforms that from "Trump's authoritarian overreach" into "necessary response to political violence." It shifts the narrative from aggression to self-defense. Did Goebbels need Wessel after his death in 1930? No, but it sure as shit worked to mobilize the base.
My point is that we, the true patriots upholding actual freedom, lose here. We all lose here and its frustrating that so many people are caught up in the cosmic justice that they can't see that this is EXACTLY what they want.
The "feels good that a Nazi died" impulse is human. But politics isn't about feelings, it's about power. And right now, people celebrating are ensuring that the worst people in America are about to get a lot more of it, wrapped in the flag and carrying Kirk's picture.
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Depends. I expect his wife is just as alt-right-addled as he was, which might mean she’ll raise them to be little Nazis. I guess they might break out of that, and I hope so, but being raised alt-right with a prominent martyr to the cause as your father could seriously fuck you up. Don’t forget they’re very rich, so they’re insulated from the real world.
I mean you might be right, but I imagine the martyr thing could go either way
Just putting myself in their shoes, it probably won't feel nice having their dad constantly praised for doing what they saw him die doing
Plus, Charlie Kirk was more hated than loved. There's no putting them so deep in a bubble that they aren't confronted with that fact
Kids tend to either follow or reject their parents beliefs... I'm not sure what this kind of trauma does to that, but I'll bet it'll make it more extreme
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His vitriol is A LOT worse than a simple disagreement. Literally, propagandists were sentenced to death in the trials after ww2 for what Charlie has done. He's not hust someone who holds vile opinions, but a banner carrier for those vile beliefs. He was a cancer on society, and no amount of your pathetic ignorance will EVER change that.
No, he wasnt. Thats just the dog shit propaganda that filled your head. You are celebrating the death of a human being, and you still have the fucking cheek to act like you were the victim because he said things you didnt like. Not that I think you actually know what he said, because whenever you google him all you get is the clickbait headlines that take everything he said sans context.
You are in a bubble thats convinced you that cheering for a man being murdered isnt just OK, its something you should do. You have "nazi" and "fascist" running around because that makes it easy to dehumanise people like Kirk to the point you dont even see a human being. Just a villain in some pantomime. And youre cheering, youre cheering for the death of a human being.
The funny thing is, youve all outed yourselves as the exact same extremists you claim to hate. Cheering for death of Kirk, and worse calling for the deaths of others. Like JK for example. Youre the same as some little kid convinced that theres virgins waiting for him in heaven if he puts on a special vest. Thats you. YOU are the cancer on society. Because YOU are the ones who cant talk, you cant only claim victimhood and call for the deaths of people who dont agree with you. YOU are the cancer. And its fucking scary how far gone you are that you cant even see, even when youre saying it.
I hope the cops are looking, and start rounding you people up who are calling for more death. You are the cancer. And I can only hope that your toxicity is finally exposed for what it actually is.
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I mean you might be right, but I imagine the martyr thing could go either way
Just putting myself in their shoes, it probably won't feel nice having their dad constantly praised for doing what they saw him die doing
Plus, Charlie Kirk was more hated than loved. There's no putting them so deep in a bubble that they aren't confronted with that fact
Kids tend to either follow or reject their parents beliefs... I'm not sure what this kind of trauma does to that, but I'll bet it'll make it more extreme
wrote last edited by [email protected]For their sake, I hope you’re right.
e: and, putting myself in their shoes as a child whose father was both prominent and absent (though not dead), I idolised him well into my 30s. Raising a teen boy finally disabused me of his sainthood. He’s still the most remarkable man I’ve ever met, but he’s also fallible.
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No, he wasnt. Thats just the dog shit propaganda that filled your head. You are celebrating the death of a human being, and you still have the fucking cheek to act like you were the victim because he said things you didnt like. Not that I think you actually know what he said, because whenever you google him all you get is the clickbait headlines that take everything he said sans context.
You are in a bubble thats convinced you that cheering for a man being murdered isnt just OK, its something you should do. You have "nazi" and "fascist" running around because that makes it easy to dehumanise people like Kirk to the point you dont even see a human being. Just a villain in some pantomime. And youre cheering, youre cheering for the death of a human being.
The funny thing is, youve all outed yourselves as the exact same extremists you claim to hate. Cheering for death of Kirk, and worse calling for the deaths of others. Like JK for example. Youre the same as some little kid convinced that theres virgins waiting for him in heaven if he puts on a special vest. Thats you. YOU are the cancer on society. Because YOU are the ones who cant talk, you cant only claim victimhood and call for the deaths of people who dont agree with you. YOU are the cancer. And its fucking scary how far gone you are that you cant even see, even when youre saying it.
I hope the cops are looking, and start rounding you people up who are calling for more death. You are the cancer. And I can only hope that your toxicity is finally exposed for what it actually is.
wrote last edited by [email protected]rofl your inability to understand the basic principle of first action makes you not only fucking stupid, but pathetically ignorant... cheering for the death of scum is not equivalent and never will be equivalent to wishing death upon unknown strangers.
The fact you cannot understand that is pathetic and a gross example of exactly how this world is going to shit.
Congratulations on being the perfect example of the banality of evil, you pathetic fool. You will only ever succeed in creating a worse world, you literal fucking idiot.
