Anon breaks up
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There is a definite bias. Especially, ESPECIALLY when it comes to partner violence. And EVEN MORE ESPECIALLY when it comes to gun violence.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well red flag laws are bad, on the whole. There's no need to resort to propaganda really. Mostly because they present a disincentive for people to try and find help or share how they're feeling with others; not whatever bullshit the post is about.
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Red flag laws, as written, don't come anywhere near a strict scrutiny standard and rarely involve a judge. Usually police are empowered to make the decision, or worse, instructed to always seize weapons immediately until a judge says give them back, even if the police think it sounds like bullshit (as in the scenario of the greentext).
From the Wikipedia page, emphasis mine:
In the United States, a red flag law (named after the idiom red flag meaning “warning sign“; also known as a risk-based gun removal law,[1]) is a gun law that permits a state court to order the temporary seizure of firearms (and other items regarded as dangerous weapons, in some states) from a person who they believe may present a danger. A judge makes the determination to issue the order based on statements and actions made by the gun owner in question.[2] Refusal to comply with the order is punishable as a criminal offense.[3][4] After a set time, the guns are returned to the person from whom they were seized unless another court hearing extends the period of confiscation.[5][6][7]
Intuitively, it makes sense the police would not be able to search someone's home for guns without a judge's permission. It would be hard to say that there was a compelling emergency just from going through things that someone had said or things that had been said about them.
I didn't see a federal supreme court case that ruled on red flag laws specifically, but it sounded like there were some state supreme court rulings that found them unconstitutional. So it is at least contentious whether they meet the strict scrutiny standard or not.
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"She's probably right." "Dude was probably violent." "Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court" "Just give up your guns!"
Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?
I'm pro gun, I'm just considering the statistics of a 4chan-er. Maybe that's profiling, but I'm not a judge. He should certainly have his day in court, I'm just predicting the outcome.
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Lemmy wants it easier for cops to take away your guns, but simultaneously distrust the cops and want to abolish the police. So which is it lol?
But then again, this is 4chan so Anon probably is on the side of the tyrants anyways; they think they're part of "the good ones".
And they're probably borderline homicidal, just looking at stats.
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I am pro gun control, but if I lived in the USA, I'd own a gun. My opinions are for the ballot box and don't matter whenever someone is breaking into my house and threatening the lives of my wife and my children.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm against gun control generally, live in the US, and don't own a gun. Why? The chance that my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I'll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors' minds being a "break-in" (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we've been here >10 years without any incidents.
So yeah, guns are more of a liability for me than a useful tool. However, not everyone lives in my area, so need for guns absolutely varies by area. I'd absolutely prefer an armed populace to the government having a monopoly on guns.
I do agree w/ sensible restrictions, and most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have. Most of the time, someone close to the shooter knew they were a risk yet did nothing.
Most firearm deaths are either gang related or suicides. The solution there isn't banning guns, but solving the underlying problems. For those, I support:
- drug legalization - cuts down on incarceration, which should reduce conversions to organized crime
- cash redistribution - my preference is NIT, which is similar to UBI; helps prevent people from getting desperate
- reform prison system to focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment - maybe prisons get funded based on reduced recidivism?
IMO, guns aren't the problem, they're a tool. We need to solve the actual problems instead of putting kid gloves on everyone.
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I'm against gun control generally, live in the US, and don't own a gun. Why? The chance that my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I'll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors' minds being a "break-in" (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we've been here >10 years without any incidents.
So yeah, guns are more of a liability for me than a useful tool. However, not everyone lives in my area, so need for guns absolutely varies by area. I'd absolutely prefer an armed populace to the government having a monopoly on guns.
I do agree w/ sensible restrictions, and most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have. Most of the time, someone close to the shooter knew they were a risk yet did nothing.
Most firearm deaths are either gang related or suicides. The solution there isn't banning guns, but solving the underlying problems. For those, I support:
- drug legalization - cuts down on incarceration, which should reduce conversions to organized crime
- cash redistribution - my preference is NIT, which is similar to UBI; helps prevent people from getting desperate
- reform prison system to focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment - maybe prisons get funded based on reduced recidivism?
IMO, guns aren't the problem, they're a tool. We need to solve the actual problems instead of putting kid gloves on everyone.
Why? The chance they my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I'll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors' minds being a "break-in" (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we've been here >10 years without any incidents.
Valid. But it's different if you are a transgender person living by yourself (i have heard and don't question the claim that transgender people in some areas may have their lives threatened)
most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have.
Wasn't there a school shooting in America where the police tried to "contain" the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.
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Why? The chance they my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I'll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors' minds being a "break-in" (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we've been here >10 years without any incidents.
Valid. But it's different if you are a transgender person living by yourself (i have heard and don't question the claim that transgender people in some areas may have their lives threatened)
most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have.
Wasn't there a school shooting in America where the police tried to "contain" the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.
transgender person
Right, which is a huge part of why I'm pro-gun despite not wanting them in my house. I think they're very useful tools to have for a lot of people, so they should be accessible.
Wasn’t there a school shooting in America where the police tried to “contain” the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.
Probably. I know there were at least cases where the police waited outside.
I'm very much in favor of arming and training teachers. I trust a teacher to protect my kids way more than a police officer, even if they're stationed permanently at the school. They shouldn't be compelled of course, but it should be an option w/ free training provided by the local police dept or gun club.
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"She's probably right." "Dude was probably violent." "Easier to give up your guns than fight this in court" "Just give up your guns!"
Lmao wowww lemmy. Nobody here likes due process?
Due process is dead in America, homie
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In 2015 I'd agree.
In 2025? Nah, look at what's happening around the US.
Dems are losing votes because of the guns issue, drop the gun issue, along with promoting a progressive platform and that's easily winning elections.
In 2025? Nah, look at what’s happening around the US.
Record gun deaths?
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In 2025? Nah, look at what’s happening around the US.
Record gun deaths?
fascism
You really think you can trust the police?
ACAB
The only way out of this is self-defence militias, but unfortunately, people left-of-center have already been disarming themselves while the far-right have been stocking up on ammunition, all thanks to the anti-gun rhetoric.
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I never said that Anon made any death threat and the concern you are raising is covered in the rest of my comment.
I mean if someone makes death threats
This is a clear suggestion that Anon was making death threats. Don't be a liar
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Kinda. It’s also a remnant of the old west. Guns were freedom, protection, power, etc.
It would be much more effective to curb crime by meeting everyone’s basic needs than giving everyone a gun.
But dumb Americans don’t know any other way. They are just too self-centered and absorbed to think about anyone else.
It would be much more effective to curb crime by meeting everyone’s basic needs than giving everyone a gun.
If crime is reduced by meeting everyone's needs, then it shouldn't matter whether people have guns or not. So let's have strong social safety nets and quit pissing people off by taking away their hobbies and property.
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I mean... isn't that what is NRA is for?
Or... do they only defend rich white people's gun rights?
The second
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I mean if someone makes death threats
This is a clear suggestion that Anon was making death threats. Don't be a liar
wrote last edited by [email protected]I find if interesting that you've read that first paragraph and interpreted it as a suggestion of one thing, then read the paragraph immediately below it that could have suggested the opposite, and not only completely ignore that second paragraph, but also fail to realize that they were hypothetical situations to explain a point. Everyone understood that but you.
Sure, force a specific interpretation of my words that you've specifically cherry picked to make you sound right so you can feel better about yourself. It ain't gonna be true and we'll both know that whether you like it or not, but judging from the fact that you just came back 4 days later for this, I don't think this fact will bother you. This is a 4 day old thread and nobody is left here to witness the level of mental gymnastics you're capable of anyway. Go ahead, treat yourself.
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I like guns.
but that's bc you are a bad person.
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I find if interesting that you've read that first paragraph and interpreted it as a suggestion of one thing, then read the paragraph immediately below it that could have suggested the opposite, and not only completely ignore that second paragraph, but also fail to realize that they were hypothetical situations to explain a point. Everyone understood that but you.
Sure, force a specific interpretation of my words that you've specifically cherry picked to make you sound right so you can feel better about yourself. It ain't gonna be true and we'll both know that whether you like it or not, but judging from the fact that you just came back 4 days later for this, I don't think this fact will bother you. This is a 4 day old thread and nobody is left here to witness the level of mental gymnastics you're capable of anyway. Go ahead, treat yourself.
then read the paragraph immediately below it that could have suggested the opposite,
Your second paragraph did not suggest the opposite
You claim you were deliberately being vague, then get mad at someone allegedly misinterpreting what you said? The solution is to not be vague, not to gaslight people by claiming you didn't say something you absolutely did. Grow up.
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then read the paragraph immediately below it that could have suggested the opposite,
Your second paragraph did not suggest the opposite
You claim you were deliberately being vague, then get mad at someone allegedly misinterpreting what you said? The solution is to not be vague, not to gaslight people by claiming you didn't say something you absolutely did. Grow up.
1- The second paragraph could very well be interpreted as suggesting that hypothetical threat allegations being fraudulent and therefore suggest the opposite. This is downright bad faith from your part.
2- I'm being mad at someone calling me a "liar" and trying to continue to force their own erroneous interpretation of my own words after I immediately clarified it for them and who keeps doubling down on it even after further explanation.
3- You call it "vague" and yet still claim that I "absolutely did" mean what you think I meant, once again giving yourself a completely unwarranted benefit of the doubt on the matter against the now overwhelming evidence.
4- Everyone else interpreted it correctly except you.
5- Why the fuck would I even accuse Anon of making death threats when they were never mentioned in the article to begin with? It is much telling that this is where your mind went immediately.
6- You came here looking for something to get angry about and thought you found it by diagonally reading through my comment and jumped to conclusions. Now that I called you out on it you decided that it had to be my fault instead and are going further down the rabbit hole of inventing all sorts of malicious intents from my part.
7- You don't have to admit it to me, only yourself. Because you will be blocked as soon as I have sent this. You will be the first one I've ever blocked on Lemmy over a comment argument too. I thought I had left this crap behind me when I dumped Reddit years ago but some seem to have followed. Which by the way also refutes your new unsubstantiated accusation of having made my original "deliberately vague" as if I had created some sort of trap to attract people like you. You can now rest assured that I don't want people like you in my life.
