Two British MPs detained by Israel, British foreign minister says
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MPs are either government officials or backbenchers. These were the latter. It was the difference between the Foreign Secretary sending a stern message and the RAF fuelling the jets.
That's where I'm confused. Maybe it's a language/cultural difference, but I consider all elected members of parliament government officials regardless of the importance of their role compared to cabinet ministers.
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The UK government has already released a statement saying that they expect Israel to host delegations like this. Ergo, they have indicated that it is their business. Actions are more indicative of the situation than wordplay.
It’s the government’s responsibility to ensure the safety of MPs, but it seems they were there on parliamentary or personal business bit government business.
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That's where I'm confused. Maybe it's a language/cultural difference, but I consider all elected members of parliament government officials regardless of the importance of their role compared to cabinet ministers.
Under the Westminster system, Parliament is a separate entity to the Government, even though members of the government are nearly always members of the parliament. It goes back to the English Civil War and what’s run by Kings and what’s run by the electorate.
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boiling because some neo nazi government just arrested two UK MPs.
Oh I wasn't boiling either way; I'm happy. To quote myself: Good job Israel, looking forward to more self-owns in the future.
Starmer won’t do much if anything about it. They’ve already sent the sternly-worded email. If anything he’s relieved that there’s a distraction from one of his MPs being arrested for child rape yesterday.
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April 5 (Reuters) - Israel has detained two British members of parliament and refused entry to the officials who were visiting as part of a parliamentary delegation, British Foreign Minister David Lammy said in a statement late on Saturday.
Sky News, citing a statement from the Israeli immigration ministry, says that the detained parliamentarians are Labour MPs Yuan Yang and Abtisam Mohamed, who were rejected because they were suspected of plans to “document the activities of security forces and spread anti-Israel hatred.”
“I have made clear to my counterparts in the Israeli government that this is no way to treat British Parliamentarians, and we have been in contact with both MPs tonight to offer our support,” Lammy said.
Thats fine, the civilized world should not let Israelis travel freely then if thats their attitude.
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It’s the government’s responsibility to ensure the safety of MPs, but it seems they were there on parliamentary or personal business bit government business.
Again, wordplay belies intent. If they have to get involved in the negative treatment of a delegation like this, when a situation such as this arises, it is demonstrably their business.
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Starmer won’t do much if anything about it. They’ve already sent the sternly-worded email. If anything he’s relieved that there’s a distraction from one of his MPs being arrested for child rape yesterday.
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From the Canadian prospective: Starmer is one of the worst PM's I've ever seen in my life. They are labour in name only. So many excuses for genocide, so much ass kissing to Trump. That guy fuckin sucks man.
Cameron? May, Johnson? Fucking Truss?
He is disappointing on the Middle East, but it’s literally his job to get the best deal for the UK regarding US trade. If that means tickling a fragile ego, sure why not, an easy win.
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April 5 (Reuters) - Israel has detained two British members of parliament and refused entry to the officials who were visiting as part of a parliamentary delegation, British Foreign Minister David Lammy said in a statement late on Saturday.
Sky News, citing a statement from the Israeli immigration ministry, says that the detained parliamentarians are Labour MPs Yuan Yang and Abtisam Mohamed, who were rejected because they were suspected of plans to “document the activities of security forces and spread anti-Israel hatred.”
“I have made clear to my counterparts in the Israeli government that this is no way to treat British Parliamentarians, and we have been in contact with both MPs tonight to offer our support,” Lammy said.
It's time to recall all citizens in the terrorist regime and send messengers from the Secure Air Shipping for those missing.
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Cameron? May, Johnson? Fucking Truss?
He is disappointing on the Middle East, but it’s literally his job to get the best deal for the UK regarding US trade. If that means tickling a fragile ego, sure why not, an easy win.
Tony Blair is certainly the worst, I forgot him.
It's funny in Europe you still have people thinking he will respect agreements with you when they don't respect you at all. If they destroyed NAFTA on a whim they'll rip up whatever agreement they make with Europe as they gear up their rhetoric against greenland.
Great to know we got another Chamberlain across the pond though.
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Tony Blair is certainly the worst, I forgot him.
It's funny in Europe you still have people thinking he will respect agreements with you when they don't respect you at all. If they destroyed NAFTA on a whim they'll rip up whatever agreement they make with Europe as they gear up their rhetoric against greenland.
Great to know we got another Chamberlain across the pond though.
Chamberlain who stalled until rearmament could take place rather than going off half-cocked?
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MPs are either government officials or backbenchers. These were the latter. It was the difference between the Foreign Secretary sending a stern message and the RAF fuelling the jets.
You seem to be confused. The phrase 'government official' refers to anyone acting on behalf of the government, including backbenchers. This could even include unelected aides, spokespeople or some civil servants.
You're thinking of the cabinet. You do not have to be in the cabinet to be a 'government official'.
As a fellow brit, these Americans correcting you are right.
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You seem to be confused. The phrase 'government official' refers to anyone acting on behalf of the government, including backbenchers. This could even include unelected aides, spokespeople or some civil servants.
You're thinking of the cabinet. You do not have to be in the cabinet to be a 'government official'.
As a fellow brit, these Americans correcting you are right.
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Jackbooted stormtrooper of a neo-fascist apartheid ethnostate, or person fed up with yanks mislabelling British politicians because they think everyone runs things like they do. Who can tell? It’s a fine line.
Or maybe you just don't know what the words "government official" mean
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British imperialism created the zio terror regime. A century later the blowback is reaching their politicians.
Yeah, but these people or the current UK government is not the people who started that shitshow. Happened quite a while ago.
That said, they are still on the hook for continuing to support it and not even denouncing it.
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That is a very specific usage: 'The Government' as a proposer of law, Parliament as approvers. Outside of a PPE course it isn't how the term is used and I think you know this.
In day to day use the government (small g) can be talked about as comprising anyone involved in governance, from the PM down to local councillors depending on context
Calling people out on this based on a technicality is like correcting people when they say 'speed' instead of 'velocity', and it's super irrelevant in a thread about MPs acting in a political capacity
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April 5 (Reuters) - Israel has detained two British members of parliament and refused entry to the officials who were visiting as part of a parliamentary delegation, British Foreign Minister David Lammy said in a statement late on Saturday.
Sky News, citing a statement from the Israeli immigration ministry, says that the detained parliamentarians are Labour MPs Yuan Yang and Abtisam Mohamed, who were rejected because they were suspected of plans to “document the activities of security forces and spread anti-Israel hatred.”
“I have made clear to my counterparts in the Israeli government that this is no way to treat British Parliamentarians, and we have been in contact with both MPs tonight to offer our support,” Lammy said.
What other country could get away with this you have to wonder. Like if Jordan had done this what would happen? If it was Eritrea? Chad? Would any of them be able to do this with impunity?
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Are they just high on their own hasbara supply?
Israeli behavior makes a lot more sense when you realize that they're fascists. Israel has been fascist for at least 75 years, so them being divorced from reality is nothing unexpected.
Give Israel some credit, Ben Gurion wasn't a fascist, despite his problems - but also you could understand where he was coming from.
It's really from the 70s on when Israel moved from problematic and apatheidy into the full on genocidal regime we see today.
The watershed moment, not surprisingly, being the assassination of Rabin.
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Give Israel some credit, Ben Gurion wasn't a fascist, despite his problems - but also you could understand where he was coming from.
It's really from the 70s on when Israel moved from problematic and apatheidy into the full on genocidal regime we see today.
The watershed moment, not surprisingly, being the assassination of Rabin.
Give Israel some credit, Ben Gurion wasn't a fascist, despite his problems - but also you could understand where he was coming from.
Huh? How is the Nakba anything other than the work of fascists? Remember that the only reason the death toll in the Nakba was "only" a little north of ten thousand people was because Israelis didn't have the weapons of mass destruction they have today and Palestinians weren't stuck in an open air concentration camp. Fundamentally what the IDF was doing in 1948 isn't much different from what it's doing today, and you should look up what they were doing to Palestinians within their borders until the six-day war.
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Thats fine, the civilized world should not let Israelis travel freely then if thats their attitude.
Israel gets around this by stealing New Zealand passports.
