Anon is Illiterate
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I can't read without pictures!
Actually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.
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Actually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.
As someone who has never been a big book reader (though I read tech manuals and news articles), I finally figured out I probably have aphantasia. This finally connected a lot of dots for me.
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It was the general reading/vocabulary.
I don't think it matters in this context. Person is trying to get into reading, nothing roastable about that.
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Terry does include breaks and beats in the stories that many other authors would adorn as a new chapter, but he never does. honestly imo that makes things almost filmic - for example where a switch in perspective usually prompts a new chapter and pushes an author to make it longer, Terry can just write a single page or even a few paragraphs to tease you a bit of what's going on elsewhere in the story, and then go back to the usual perspective but now with the added context & tension
that makes things almost filmic
His early books literally started with a visual description of the reader's imagination "camera" gradually focusing on Great A'Tuin, the Disc, whatever region the action was going to happen in, and so on.
Filmic is exactly what he was going for.
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I've known several men that were proud that they didn't read books. (Not that they read manga or anything, either.)
One of them, in particuular, was a grown up version of a stereotypical highschool bully. Willfully ignorant doesn't begin to describe him. I ever meet him in a dark alley, I'd fucking gut him.
Anyhow, this behaviour (pride in ignorance) among women is rare enough that I've never seen it. When I was doing online dating, I had great success asking what they're reading and using decent grammar and vocabulary.
Anti-intellectualism and willfull ignorance have a lot to do with the situation here in the US. I think it's mostly a male problem as well.
Have you ever done any sort of IT support? I was internal IT in my first job and we had those people. It was mostly women 50+ years old who were proud that they know nothing about computers and would actively avoid listening when I tried to tell them how to do something trivial. Even when it was part of their jobs to do it. Then they would ask for help with the same stupid shit a few weeks later.
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Actually, I wonder if people who have difficulty visualizing from words would struggle to, like, make their own pictures.
as a reader and writer with aphantasia, it's literally never once mattered to me. i love a good fantasy and just don't consider visualizing an obligate part of the experience. though i could definitely understand how it might be helpful
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wtf is a "chapter book"?
It's like a webnovel but not necessarily web.
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I had a coworker approach me on break and start telling me about a book he was reading and how much he was enjoying it. Towards the end, he mentioned struggling with it and that he wished someone had told him how great reading was earlier. We were both damn near 30, and it was a YA novel. I resisted the asshole urge to roast him because, shit, at least he's trying?
It's better to read what you enjoy than what you "should" be reading.
Given enough time, they'll maybe become the same thing anyway.
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Have you ever done any sort of IT support? I was internal IT in my first job and we had those people. It was mostly women 50+ years old who were proud that they know nothing about computers and would actively avoid listening when I tried to tell them how to do something trivial. Even when it was part of their jobs to do it. Then they would ask for help with the same stupid shit a few weeks later.
Not IT support directly but I've had that same experience with plenty of boomer men in machine shops. They're fucking proud that they suck at computer yet CNC has been around since the '80s in a big way.
Ran a shop for a while and still have the terminating document from when I fired one of those fuckers.
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As someone who has never been a big book reader (though I read tech manuals and news articles), I finally figured out I probably have aphantasia. This finally connected a lot of dots for me.
Do you enjoy graphic novels?
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as a reader and writer with aphantasia, it's literally never once mattered to me. i love a good fantasy and just don't consider visualizing an obligate part of the experience. though i could definitely understand how it might be helpful
That's great to hear. And for what it's worth while I can imagine simple images, I don't usually while I'm reading. I just sort of understand what's happening in a non-visual way.
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Have you ever done any sort of IT support? I was internal IT in my first job and we had those people. It was mostly women 50+ years old who were proud that they know nothing about computers and would actively avoid listening when I tried to tell them how to do something trivial. Even when it was part of their jobs to do it. Then they would ask for help with the same stupid shit a few weeks later.
Fucking hell, so much this. They're so goddamn proud of their ignorance. This is why I enforce a very strict "we're mechanics, not chauffeurs" policy in my team. We've got no duty - either literal or moral - to make up for incompetence.
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However, they’re not necessarily picking up on nuance, or subtleties. And they will often not take into account how the sentence they just read fits into the overall context of the piece
Which explains sooo many internet arguments.
No this is about reading books, not arguing. Are you stupid?
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The problem with comic books is that they're all about this big flashy pictures and they never have any words in them. Oh well, anyway, off to read some more Chainsaw Man and One Punch...
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I listen to audio books more often than reading an actual book.
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As you read these comments, remember that 56% of Americans read at a 6th-grade level or above; the rest read below that.
Please be gentle.
remember that 56% of Americans read at a 6th-grade level or above; the rest read below that.
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Have you ever done any sort of IT support? I was internal IT in my first job and we had those people. It was mostly women 50+ years old who were proud that they know nothing about computers and would actively avoid listening when I tried to tell them how to do something trivial. Even when it was part of their jobs to do it. Then they would ask for help with the same stupid shit a few weeks later.
If I was as bad at reading and responding to emails as the folks I support...
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I read a lot of science fiction, and a younger friends at work frequently asked me for recommendations, and he liked talking about the books after reading them. At some point I found out that he exclusively consumes them as audiobooks, which is fine and I didn't think much about it. Some years down the line, when I was getting ready to retire, I had to pass on things to him. There was enough of it that, in addition to working elbow-to-elbow with him, I documented all the details in some long emails. When we meet, I'd say "The details are in the email," and focus on explaining the big picture.
It became obvious that he never read the emails. When I talked to him about it, he admitted that he really struggles with any long block of text. The guy is really smart, and he knows a lot about a lot of things, but he gets all his info from audio and video because struggles to consume text. There's clearly some kind of learning/mental issue going on there. It's going to make the job tough for him, but I hope he works it out.
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I recall reading somewhere that adult literacy was at like 98% in the US. Though that was like 25 years ago, and I suppose a 6th grade level still counts as “literate”? Or did we slide backwards?
If we have to talk about this in terms of “grade levels”, at what point is someone actually considered illiterate?
Up until the mid-60s, the US did not have a standard high school educational system. Some cities had high schools, some capped out at elementary or "middle" school. A few people went to college, but the overwhelming majority didn't.
Early journalistic standards of the era sought to produce written works that could be
marketedenjoyed by the largest appreciable volume of people. So the standard for writing was set at the 6th grade level. Everyone from the NYT to Random House targeted articles and books to the 6th grade level, because this was where the maximal market share of reading consumers lived.Consequently we've produced a super-abundance of written material at the 6th grade level. If you're no longer in school and you're doing recreational reading, you're most likely consuming something designed to be read by middle-schoolers. And because this is the de facto standard, and has been for over half a century, we have this enormous backlog of material - classical novels, famous newspaper clips, screenplays, speeches, encyclopedias, commercials - all geared to this level.
People maintain their skills with practice and this is no less true of reading than any other occupation. So when you survey people - many of whom haven't touched a scientific paper or "advanced" novel in decades - as to their reading level, they consistently reproduce the skills for which the bulk of English written works are produced.
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wtf is a "chapter book"?
it is a book which is long enough that its broken into "chapters" so that you have a good stopping point to pause your reading for the day.
Or in the context of OOP, a book containing many^1^ pages of text and no pictures^2^
- greater than 30
- more than 0.5 pages of text per image
