Need a keyboard with a dedicated "slop" button
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How so? It wasn't my intent to misrepresent your words. That being said, I do apologize if I've accidentally (and potentially carelessly) misinterpreted what you said. I'll gladly fix my comment if you help me understand where my interpretation went wrong
The comment was referring to preferred pronouns as just "pronouns" because the cultural zeitgeist has conflated the two. There are tons of right wing assholes that say that they "refuse to use pronouns at all" without processing the difference between "preferred pronouns" and the grammatical construct of pronouns as a whole.
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There definitely is a very real "AI derangement syndrome" kinda thing going around among some. It's like...we can be opposed to the use of AI to take away people's jobs while simultaneously dumbing down culture, without throwing out the ways it can actually be used by workers to improve their work output or the experience for them of doing the work. I'm not familiar with Kdenlive, but it sounds similar to Photoshop's generative fill, and that's a fantastic feature. Using AI to do a better version of what content-aware fill has done for over a decade. People who are opposed even to these uses need to pull their heads in, because they make it much harder to effectively oppose the real problems with AI.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Your comment makes sense IMO.
To make an enormous simplification, it's like those who screamed "rape!" because someone had looked (in a wrong way) at them. It removes the credibility of real rape.
Sorry, it's early and I couldn't find a nicer analogy, I posted it anyways because it's an important distinction IMO, "AI" isn't burning the planet or taking your jobs, some saves your grandma from cancer, LLM and image generators does.
Also, and this is only what I think, Art is also used in this way, some person drawing a panda for some company is now an Artist. I mean maybe they are but that panda can be made by an image generator (if it can be done cheaply) and free up their creative potential to do other things.
And also, it's not like someone has a plan how to make things better, it's just "forbid it" (good luck with that) or being angry online.
The world is black and white for many people.
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AI Slop Eaters need to know their bullshit is unacceptable, Fuck AI.
In your opinion, how should AI be handled now that it is out of the box?
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Without training, but once you've trained one model then that model can be used by millions.
An equivalent comparison would be the resources used by millions learning Photoshop in order to use it in the first place.
More like the resources used to develop Photoshop.
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Art is art, it doesn't matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
Well, is it really your vision or intention if it pulled from the efforts and thoughts of a million others to generate your picture?
Every art is pulled from the efforts and thoughts of million others.
Star Wars is pulled from Dune, which on itself was based upon Middle Eastern History and Religions.
Everything is build on the shoulders of giants.
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Pretty insulting comparison, tbh.
Pronouns: Expanding language to communicate the humanity of other people.
AI: Distilling language to package human communication as a sellable product.
It is supposed to be insulting, to make you think about it.
Like it shows your definition of AI is lacking. Nothing about AI says it needs to be able to be sold. That is the Capitalist take on it. Because they want to sell everything.
AI (or LLM as you describe it) is nothing more than computer generated text. It says nothing about how it should be generated or what is should be used for.
In that context, if your mind immediately goes to slop when AI is mentioned, then you are no different than the ones who start fuming when pronouns are mentioned.
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I think you're assuming people are having a knee jerk, ignorant response, because you have come to a different conclusion than they have.
My dislike of consumer AI is very well informed. I've built my own local models and used generative AI extensively for work (no choice). I was actually pretty excited for the technology before the corps started using it as their latest accelerationist cudgel in the class war.
As it stands, I think it's hard to justify using AI, even as a casual consumer. For many reasons that are already well documented.
It is a knee jerk reaction because it does not look at the context.
You can be talking about AI in a medical protein folding context, and you will still have people call it "slop".
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Are cruise lines as a mode of transportation still around? Cruise ships are for leisure now, but they were previously much more prevalent.
I was just pointing out that they still exist, basically they adapted and remained in business.
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Yeah, sorry, that wasn't directed so much at you as it was using your post as a starting point.
I remember the Folding at Home program, that was more about distributed computing than AI. Game AI has been well-discussed for decades now, but in 99.9% of other AI cases it's usually in reference to the current trend (or trying to ride that wave) and like 0.1% niche nerd talk you caught a stray from.
Sorry that was rude because of my misunderstanding
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It is a knee jerk reaction because it does not look at the context.
You can be talking about AI in a medical protein folding context, and you will still have people call it "slop".
That specific use case is often brought up as an example of "good AI use" even among people who are opposed to the commercial models, so even if it was an apt comparison, I don't think your assertion holds much water.
Further, aren't you assuming my context if you think, for example, that I'm an ignorant hater because I'm hating on some gen AI web comic? Or nebulous defense of AI, like in the op?
Is this exchange one of the data points you mentally tally when you think of contextless, knee jerk reactions to all uses of AI? Because in this case right here, you would clearly be wrong.
I'm not against all ML/AI when applied in the right context.
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How so? It wasn't my intent to misrepresent your words. That being said, I do apologize if I've accidentally (and potentially carelessly) misinterpreted what you said. I'll gladly fix my comment if you help me understand where my interpretation went wrong
The other reply has it right, but I wanted to reply to confirm.
"Pronouns" in this context almost always means "preferred pronouns" especially wrt people who have preferred pronouns that differ from those assigned at birth.
It's a bit hard to believe that someone would be aware of the study you mentioned, but not the common usage of the terms.
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I don't think OP thinks they are actually equivalent though, it's just a satirical comparison.
Another comparison could be vegans. Environmental impact of meat consumption is huge and it also has the more obvious harm and ethical issues.
Vegans get a lot of shit anyway, but imagine if every comment or post about meat, regardless of where it was or in what context got a barrage of abrasive comments from vegans?
You will never convince someone of your cause if you're a dick to them. It's a huge internet trait to just go full meltdown at everything rather than talk with some you don't agree with to aim for a better outcome.
I get that, and the vegan comparison is good. But I get why vegans act like that, even if I don't share their opinion.
In both of these cases you're arguably pushing for a better world.But the difference is that veganism is changing the status quo and isn't popular, while opposing AI is maintaining the status quo and is popular.
You're never going to convince a true believer even if you're kind to them, so there is no point being kind. A mean message to an AI supporter isn't actually to the AI supporter, it's to their audience, establishing a zeitgeist.
AI is bad, and if we let up the vocal opposition, that'll make its way into more popular forums and we'll lose the zeitgeist, and policymakers will notice it, and then we'll start losing shit like workers rights.
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In your opinion, how should AI be handled now that it is out of the box?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Heavily regulated on the data it is trained on, respectful of copyright laws, with caps on electricity cost, and also explicitly banned for use in customer service, finances, infrastructure, engineering, research, medicine, legal practice, and sales. That also extends to programmers who work for those industries.
Basically, anybody trying to turn a profit from such a shitty non-product should fuck off. I also reserve the right to tell AI Sloppers to fuck off in other contexts, because it has no use case.
But, to be clear, I am referring to LLMs and Generative AI who create statistical models of language, and similar AI made to operate equipment after training on footage, not other learning algorithms used to make statistical models of things like which drug has an attachment point or which mice have cancer.
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I was just pointing out that they still exist, basically they adapted and remained in business.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Idk how comparable it is, the success they had faded, the popularity decreased heavily.I wouldn't call just survival a good outcome.
I don't think many people considered taking a cruise ship for a regular passage in which the Mode of transportation wasnt a big part of the attraction (unless they are scared of flying, I guess)
There are still airships around, but they are a rare thing.
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Idk how comparable it is, the success they had faded, the popularity decreased heavily.I wouldn't call just survival a good outcome.
I don't think many people considered taking a cruise ship for a regular passage in which the Mode of transportation wasnt a big part of the attraction (unless they are scared of flying, I guess)
There are still airships around, but they are a rare thing.
They changed their business model from a mode of transport to a mode of vacation. The profits for major cruise lines are in the billions so really it's more than surviving.
Industry adapts or changes, buggy makers become car companies, radio stations started also broadcasting TV signals, cable companies started offering Internet, and cruise lines started offering vacations rather than transportation.
As for airships, they were set back by The Hindenburg and USS Akron & Macon crashing. But they are starting to make a comeback, most are just focusing on cargo ships at the moment. It'll take time since The Hindenburg is burned into everyone's brain, but as people get used to seeing cargo blimps and larger cargo airships flying around and not crashing, they may just come to accept it and treat it like a mini cruise ship. Spend a few days flying over scenic spots and relaxing then disembark.
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Your comment makes sense IMO.
To make an enormous simplification, it's like those who screamed "rape!" because someone had looked (in a wrong way) at them. It removes the credibility of real rape.
Sorry, it's early and I couldn't find a nicer analogy, I posted it anyways because it's an important distinction IMO, "AI" isn't burning the planet or taking your jobs, some saves your grandma from cancer, LLM and image generators does.
Also, and this is only what I think, Art is also used in this way, some person drawing a panda for some company is now an Artist. I mean maybe they are but that panda can be made by an image generator (if it can be done cheaply) and free up their creative potential to do other things.
And also, it's not like someone has a plan how to make things better, it's just "forbid it" (good luck with that) or being angry online.
The world is black and white for many people.
Sorry, it’s early and I couldn’t find a nicer analogy
I mean, you coulda just gone with "the boy who cried wolf".
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Sorry, it’s early and I couldn’t find a nicer analogy
I mean, you coulda just gone with "the boy who cried wolf".
Crying Wolf is making something up though so not exactly the same.
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Is a neural network that analyzes x-rays before handing them to a doctor AI? I would say no.
The term "AI" is already pretty fuzzy even in the technical sense, but if that's how you're using it then it doesn't mean anything at all.
Most people on Lemmy seem to define AI as "evil machine learning that i don't like" vs non-AI as everything else. It's a wee bit delusional.
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It's like you saw my response, and processed exactly none of it before you replied.
Did I say this is how it should be? No. I was describing the way it actually is. It's not me who is oversimplify, this is just the way it is used in pop culture. It doesn't matter at all how much you don't like that, because we cannot be prescriptive about actually irl usage of a word.
Am I personally aware of the difference? Yes. I work with LLMs every day as part of my job, both as a tool and as a product.
None of this, or what you wrote, changes that in common discourse, outside of niche communities, "AI" is synonymous with "LLM" and GPT content image generators, almost exclusively, unless other context is provided.
So when people see "AI" in common discourse, they're almost always right to assume it means LLMs and GPT content generators.
Tbh in my experience LLM and other recently developed techniques such as stable diffusion are referred to as GenAI by most lay people. For both lay people and technical audience, i.e. people who work in machine learning, AI has a much broader significance.
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Based. Nothing triggers redditors and chuds alike than recognizing the value in all art.
^ This matches my intentions and vision completely, so it's mine now.
yeah honestly I don't really care much for AI art and I think the vast majority of it looks kind of creepy in the uncanny valley sense but at least I have the self-awareness to recognize that it is a personal preference. These anti-ai bros seem to have no distinction between "I don't like <thing>" and "<thing> is unethical" on top of being just generally insufferable pricks so I try to avoid them as much as possible.
