Need a keyboard with a dedicated "slop" button
-
I agree with you in spirit, but I think at this point AI uses less global energy than video games, and the internet generally seems to think video games good, AI bad.
-
Object Oriented Programming
Context clues would make it obvious that that is not what's meant.
-
This post did not contain any content.
AI Slop Eaters need to know their bullshit is unacceptable, Fuck AI.
-
I wasn't talking about AI at all, I was talking about people talking about AI.
AFAICT the OP was talking about vocaloid.
https://sexygaywizard.tumblr.com/post/739313272247009280/some-of-yall-will-see-the-word-ai-and-freak-out#notesWell when you're done not talking about AI feel free to join the discussion.
-
[…] Pronouns are a thing that harms nobody […]
This feels like a hasty generalization. For example, if one is experiencing gender dysphoria, we could assume that misgendering them with their undesired pronouns would cause them psychological distress ^[1]^ — ie harm.
::: spoiler References
- Type: Article. Title: "Gender dysphoria". Publisher: "Wikipedia". Published: 2025-08-05T16:25Z. Accessed: 2025-08-06T04:23Z. URI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria.
- Type: Text. Location: ¶1.
Gender dysphoria (GD) is the distress a person experiences due to inconsistency between their gender identity—their personal sense of their own gender—and their sex assigned at birth.
:::
- Type: Text. Location: ¶1.
That is a willful misinterpretation of what I wrote.
- Type: Article. Title: "Gender dysphoria". Publisher: "Wikipedia". Published: 2025-08-05T16:25Z. Accessed: 2025-08-06T04:23Z. URI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria.
-
That is a willful misinterpretation of what I wrote.
wrote last edited by [email protected]How so? It wasn't my intent to misrepresent your words. That being said, I do apologize if I've accidentally (and potentially carelessly) misinterpreted what you said. I'll gladly fix my comment if you help me understand where my interpretation went wrong
-
As always, there's an xkcd for that....lol
To quickly further expand on my previous example with a few I thought of afterwards,
- the wax cylinder will kill live music
- the radio will kill live music
- the TV will kill radio
- the airplane will kill the cruise lines
Are cruise lines as a mode of transportation still around? Cruise ships are for leisure now, but they were previously much more prevalent.
-
It's wild that OP would think these two things are equivalent.
Pronouns are a thing that harms nobody, and the people frothing at the mouth are going out of their way to hurt people who did nothing wrong.
AI (in its most common meaning at this time in pop culture) at the minimum is wasting electricity (and it's associated climate impact), and has the potential to totally decimate the job market and usher in an era of inequality that we haven't seen for hundreds of years, while simultaneously stealing from artists. The people frothing at the mouth aren't hurting anyone.
To use a bit of hyperbole, it's kinda like if you said:
Some of y'all see "white power" and freak out without processing anything that's being said, like a conservative who sees a mixed race couple.
Like pretty clearly people have a good reason for freaking out when they see that, and the other side of the equation are just bad people.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I don't think OP thinks they are actually equivalent though, it's just a satirical comparison.
Another comparison could be vegans. Environmental impact of meat consumption is huge and it also has the more obvious harm and ethical issues.
Vegans get a lot of shit anyway, but imagine if every comment or post about meat, regardless of where it was or in what context got a barrage of abrasive comments from vegans?
You will never convince someone of your cause if you're a dick to them. It's a huge internet trait to just go full meltdown at everything rather than talk with some you don't agree with to aim for a better outcome.
-
How so? It wasn't my intent to misrepresent your words. That being said, I do apologize if I've accidentally (and potentially carelessly) misinterpreted what you said. I'll gladly fix my comment if you help me understand where my interpretation went wrong
The comment was referring to preferred pronouns as just "pronouns" because the cultural zeitgeist has conflated the two. There are tons of right wing assholes that say that they "refuse to use pronouns at all" without processing the difference between "preferred pronouns" and the grammatical construct of pronouns as a whole.
-
There definitely is a very real "AI derangement syndrome" kinda thing going around among some. It's like...we can be opposed to the use of AI to take away people's jobs while simultaneously dumbing down culture, without throwing out the ways it can actually be used by workers to improve their work output or the experience for them of doing the work. I'm not familiar with Kdenlive, but it sounds similar to Photoshop's generative fill, and that's a fantastic feature. Using AI to do a better version of what content-aware fill has done for over a decade. People who are opposed even to these uses need to pull their heads in, because they make it much harder to effectively oppose the real problems with AI.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Your comment makes sense IMO.
To make an enormous simplification, it's like those who screamed "rape!" because someone had looked (in a wrong way) at them. It removes the credibility of real rape.
Sorry, it's early and I couldn't find a nicer analogy, I posted it anyways because it's an important distinction IMO, "AI" isn't burning the planet or taking your jobs, some saves your grandma from cancer, LLM and image generators does.
Also, and this is only what I think, Art is also used in this way, some person drawing a panda for some company is now an Artist. I mean maybe they are but that panda can be made by an image generator (if it can be done cheaply) and free up their creative potential to do other things.
And also, it's not like someone has a plan how to make things better, it's just "forbid it" (good luck with that) or being angry online.
The world is black and white for many people.
-
AI Slop Eaters need to know their bullshit is unacceptable, Fuck AI.
In your opinion, how should AI be handled now that it is out of the box?
-
Without training, but once you've trained one model then that model can be used by millions.
An equivalent comparison would be the resources used by millions learning Photoshop in order to use it in the first place.
More like the resources used to develop Photoshop.
-
Art is art, it doesn't matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
Well, is it really your vision or intention if it pulled from the efforts and thoughts of a million others to generate your picture?
Every art is pulled from the efforts and thoughts of million others.
Star Wars is pulled from Dune, which on itself was based upon Middle Eastern History and Religions.
Everything is build on the shoulders of giants.
-
Pretty insulting comparison, tbh.
Pronouns: Expanding language to communicate the humanity of other people.
AI: Distilling language to package human communication as a sellable product.
It is supposed to be insulting, to make you think about it.
Like it shows your definition of AI is lacking. Nothing about AI says it needs to be able to be sold. That is the Capitalist take on it. Because they want to sell everything.
AI (or LLM as you describe it) is nothing more than computer generated text. It says nothing about how it should be generated or what is should be used for.
In that context, if your mind immediately goes to slop when AI is mentioned, then you are no different than the ones who start fuming when pronouns are mentioned.
-
I think you're assuming people are having a knee jerk, ignorant response, because you have come to a different conclusion than they have.
My dislike of consumer AI is very well informed. I've built my own local models and used generative AI extensively for work (no choice). I was actually pretty excited for the technology before the corps started using it as their latest accelerationist cudgel in the class war.
As it stands, I think it's hard to justify using AI, even as a casual consumer. For many reasons that are already well documented.
It is a knee jerk reaction because it does not look at the context.
You can be talking about AI in a medical protein folding context, and you will still have people call it "slop".
-
Are cruise lines as a mode of transportation still around? Cruise ships are for leisure now, but they were previously much more prevalent.
I was just pointing out that they still exist, basically they adapted and remained in business.
-
Yeah, sorry, that wasn't directed so much at you as it was using your post as a starting point.
I remember the Folding at Home program, that was more about distributed computing than AI. Game AI has been well-discussed for decades now, but in 99.9% of other AI cases it's usually in reference to the current trend (or trying to ride that wave) and like 0.1% niche nerd talk you caught a stray from.
Sorry that was rude because of my misunderstanding
And its nice that you gave complementary info -
It is a knee jerk reaction because it does not look at the context.
You can be talking about AI in a medical protein folding context, and you will still have people call it "slop".
That specific use case is often brought up as an example of "good AI use" even among people who are opposed to the commercial models, so even if it was an apt comparison, I don't think your assertion holds much water.
Further, aren't you assuming my context if you think, for example, that I'm an ignorant hater because I'm hating on some gen AI web comic? Or nebulous defense of AI, like in the op?
Is this exchange one of the data points you mentally tally when you think of contextless, knee jerk reactions to all uses of AI? Because in this case right here, you would clearly be wrong.
I'm not against all ML/AI when applied in the right context.
-
How so? It wasn't my intent to misrepresent your words. That being said, I do apologize if I've accidentally (and potentially carelessly) misinterpreted what you said. I'll gladly fix my comment if you help me understand where my interpretation went wrong
The other reply has it right, but I wanted to reply to confirm.
"Pronouns" in this context almost always means "preferred pronouns" especially wrt people who have preferred pronouns that differ from those assigned at birth.
It's a bit hard to believe that someone would be aware of the study you mentioned, but not the common usage of the terms.
-
I don't think OP thinks they are actually equivalent though, it's just a satirical comparison.
Another comparison could be vegans. Environmental impact of meat consumption is huge and it also has the more obvious harm and ethical issues.
Vegans get a lot of shit anyway, but imagine if every comment or post about meat, regardless of where it was or in what context got a barrage of abrasive comments from vegans?
You will never convince someone of your cause if you're a dick to them. It's a huge internet trait to just go full meltdown at everything rather than talk with some you don't agree with to aim for a better outcome.
I get that, and the vegan comparison is good. But I get why vegans act like that, even if I don't share their opinion.
In both of these cases you're arguably pushing for a better world.But the difference is that veganism is changing the status quo and isn't popular, while opposing AI is maintaining the status quo and is popular.
You're never going to convince a true believer even if you're kind to them, so there is no point being kind. A mean message to an AI supporter isn't actually to the AI supporter, it's to their audience, establishing a zeitgeist.
AI is bad, and if we let up the vocal opposition, that'll make its way into more popular forums and we'll lose the zeitgeist, and policymakers will notice it, and then we'll start losing shit like workers rights.
