Coders or lemmy, what editors do you use? Is it worth learning a new one?
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I get this, but an IDE should be invisible and grow as you ...
Why not "I get this, and an IDE should ..." ?
I don't think your idea goes against the idea of watching skilled devs to know what you are/are not missing
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kate
I use Kate -- part of the KDE project ecosystem (for anyone else wondering) -- on all platforms, including Windows. So worth it.
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Thanks, will take a look
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Mostly emacs, vi, or what IDE I happen to be using like Eclipse.
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I use Neovim. It feels like a second nature after using it for years. I love how effortless the interaction with the editor is after you have spent hundreds of hours learning it. I have no reasonable arguments to convince anyone to do that though. I just do it because I enjoy the hell of it
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The main reason I like vi/vim is that if you're having to use multiple different computers (such as if one is a sysadmin, or in my case, does scientific computing), because if you're running on Linux, you can be confident that vi/vim will be on it.
For personal use, I've been using emacs, but I can't recommend that without feeling like I'm suggesting you try some heroin. I enjoy emacs because of it's complexity and how much power it gives me to modify it. It's very easy to fall into feature creep and over complexity though. That's why I can't recommend it — it's good for me because I am a chronic tinkerer, and having something to fuck around with is an outlet for that.
I would recommend learning the basics of vim though. As you highlight, getting back to your current level of productivity would take a while, even if you loved vim and committed to it wholeheartedly. It is possible to try it out with little commitment though, for the perspective. If you're on a machine that has vim installed already, try the
vimtutor
command, which will start the ~30 min long inbuilt tutorial for vim. I liked it for giving me perspective on what on earth vim even was.I know you don't use it anymore, but I just want to fistbump you re: sublime text. I really loved that as a basic text editor that was, for me, just a slightly nicer notepad.
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If I went back to the vi interface for some reason I'd at least use
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I use pycharm at work for most things. Work paid for it. It has some nice stuff i like. I'm sure other editors do all of this, too, but nothing's been causing me enough pain to switch
- Database integration. Little side panel shows me the tables, and I can do queries, view table structure, etc, right here
- Find usages/declaration is pretty good. Goes into library code, too.
- The autocomplete is pretty good. I think they have newfangled AI options now, but the traditional introspection autocomplete has been doing it for me.
- Can use the python interpreter inside the docker container
- The refactor functions are pretty good. Rename, move, etc
- Naive search is pretty good. Can limit it to folders, do regex, filter by file name, etc
It does have multiple cursors but I've rarely needed that.
I use sublime for quick note taking. Mostly I like that it has syntax highlighting, and it doesn't require me to explicitly save a tab for it to stay open
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xfce text editor and sublime text, and vim but only when i want to work within the terminal
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Zed, for the last few months, and happy with it (previously vscode) - I code in Scala, so Metals provides the complex hints / actions.
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Dev of 25 years here: Cursor, for the LLM integration. It's based on VSCode, just way tighter AI integration. It's so good.
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NeoVim plus tmux.
Great multi dimensional way of operating. You have access to the terminal and your ide.
It's beautiful
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Doom Emacs
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My editors
- Professionally I use Jetbrains stuff (intellij, pycharm, etc).
- At home I use Neovim because I like to have lsp support, I'm too cheap to pay for IDE's and I dislike VSCode for personal reasons. For quick edits I use default text editor e.g. kate/gedit.
My opinions on learning new editors
- If you need to go fast now, use what you know best.
- If you have time to learn just try whatever looks cool. Learning a new editor/way to edit text will broaden your horizons even if you don't end up using it.
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I use the godot integrated code editor, but i am debating switching to writing the code in google slides and copying the text into notepad in a virtual machine
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It's more that the position of the escape key changed. This was they layout of the keyboard vi was written on. Note the arrow keys too.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi_(text_editor)#/media/File:KB_Terminal_ADM3A.svg -
I use vim, or spacemacs with evil mode (emacs distribution with sensible shortcuts and vim emulation). Or VSCode with spacemacs emulation.
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Not dev but I'm in IT/Cybersec mostly as it's much easier to find jobs there and I use vim just about everywhere, usually with tmux and i3 with custom vim-like keybinds (super+j move focus right etc), I use vim even on my phone in termux, with gboard.
At work I use gedit and gnome terminal or whatever cuz it's company time unless I'm personally interested in what I'm doing
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I hate to be that guy but (neo)vim has served me well for too long. I don't even use any crazy maps or plugins; it's just comfy.
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I've tried to learn Vim in the past but IMO it is not worth it at all. In a world without multiple cursors... sure, maybe. With multiple cursors? No way. I can can edit just as fast as I've seen any Vim user do it, and without having to remember a gazillion mnemonics and deal with the silly modal thing.
Multiple cursor editing even has some significant advantages over Vim style, e.g. it's interactive, so you can do your edit gradually and go back if you make a mistake. Rather than having to write a complex command and only finding out it if works at the end. (If you've used regex find & replace you'll understand that problem.)
I'll probably get downvoted for this since Vim is kind of a cult, and Vim users get a sense of superiority from it. Kind of like audiophiles - they don't appreciate it if you tell them their £10k valve amp doesn't actually sound any better than your £1k digital amp.
For editing on remote computers I use VSCode remote or Micro for quick tasks.