Content curation in the Fediverse is better!
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Freedom of speech is an “alt-right” talking point?!?!?!
They've literally been banging the freeze-peach button constantly. Every single time there's consequences for their actions for a decade or two now. Where have you been?
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I hear they drink a lot of water too. I think we should give up water to own the nazi’s.
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What if I told you anyone can run their own server and consequently had the freedom to federate with who they wish?
The value of the Fediverse isn’t just freedom of speech. It’s freedom of association.
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I’m a big fan of that option. Did you think I’d be against it?
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Well, you seem to be upset that people are able to block entire instances. That’s just a weird stance for an anarchist to have.
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It's not my concern if you decide to continue self-sabotaging. That's on you. Your definitely not helping yourself and not fostering any actual discussion that's for sure. He must be in Anarchist ironically. Just out for chaos. And not for Mutual Aid and understanding.
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I generally prefer to federate with as many communities as possible, but federating with fascists is a terrible idea. You're just making people in your community vulnerable to harassment.
People are self organizing onto these instances, and if they don't like their current one it's not hard to move. Most people won't move to one that allows nazis in.
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Yeah because it shuts out everyone on that instance.
I’m happy this post isn’t from an instance admin, deciding that their users aren’t allowed to see ANYTHING that originated on an instance that they deem unsavory. I’m just disappointed in OP thinking that shutting all people out from a particular instance regardless of their actions is an act worthy of a victory lap, talking about how great the fediverse is for ignoring people.
Also: Just because I am an anarchist doesn’t mean I have to march in lockstep with what you expect an anarchist to do and say. This is the very crux of my point: that opinions vary wildly and shutting out your ability to even see those opinions is a negative thing for society as a whole.
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On the Fediverse, no admin decides anything a user does. If you don’t like your server, you can just walk over to another one. Most software even makes account migration between servers super easy.
Or if you don’t trust admins at all—and I don’t—you can run your own server and federate with who you please.
This is not Reddit. Admins don’t hold ultimate power of what does or does not get seen. However, you do—and you can mute, block, or defederate as you see fit.
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I see nothing wrong with it. But let’s not pretend that it is some badge of honor. We should be ashamed/disappointed that we were forced to censor our feeds rather than finding some better solution to the disgusting Nazi toxicity encroaching on our minds.
I’ve heard the Nazi bar analogy a lot and I can see why people say it. But I have made so much more progress with conservatives when I actually talk to them than when I blindly shut them out. I guess it’s just the tendency of perpetually online anonymous people to get ugly beyond what they would be brazen enough to do without anonymity.
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Insult me all you want. You didn’t change my mind.
Ps. Look at the rest of the discussions I am having with people. It seems the tone of this particular thread in the conversation is destined for toxicity because you’re not ready to admit the ugly truth about your perspective.
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I know all of that, my friend. Not sure how it seemed like I didn’t. namaste
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And that is a wonderful thing. Use the town square analogy and you’ll see that I’m not against THAT. I’m against victory laps advertising the blinders over a whole instance.
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That is not the point, the point is that you can. You can curate your feed yourself instead of relying solely on an algorithm or a curation team
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This! I hate that LW is defederates from Hex, and Beehaw and any others. LW needs to update the Lemmy version and federate with all.
Open debate is critical for ethics and intelligence. I wish we were much more capable of open minded debate here. I would totally play the role of high-Mach devils-advocate to get people talking about controversial and high tension subjects while being abstracted and attempting not to offend as best I can while playing the role of the bad guy. I'm afraid users here are totally incapable of this level of engagement depth. The concept of a safe place to take such a controversial position of true free speech seems beyond the capability of most here. Like a transgender person should have the opportunity to debate their politization issues from both sides. Or like, I hate what has happened in Gaza, but I also hate a culture that coexists with honor killing without absolutely reforming purging the practice with distain. I should be able to argue as a devils advocate from many angles even when I find them repugnant. I am very good at this kind of debating. I have my own issues with my life situation where I would need people to understand the scope of such a community and participating users. It is a difficult balance to argue hated positions and others understand that those positions and ideas are not your own. When such debates are had, it leads to a much deeper understanding of issues within a community as a whole.
The high school I went to was in a very poor all black community and was designed to uplift the best and brightest of that community while drawing in similar students from the surrounding region to make up around 20% of students. There were some very racist views and tensions at times mostly from black students towards white. The Wednesday seminar/debate classes from start of the day until lunch were the ultimate solution. We debated politics, religion, racism, rape, authoritarianism, communism, anarchism, and a bunch of other stuff. It got super heated at times. When no one wanted to take the negative interlocutor perspective, the teacher would try but I quickly learned I saw the situation more clearly than them and was good at being the bad guy (or the good guy). By arguing the opposing perspective it reveals much about what one believes and how to argue it effectively.
I have an entire framework for such a community saved in rough drafted notes on my phone that I made weeks ago but I don't think Lemmy is capable of this in practice.
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I do not think it’s a good idea to isolate people in cults in their own echo chambers… although my faith in humanity and basic decency has seen better days, I still believe good examples matter.
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Thank you so much!!!
I couldn’t have said it any better.
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This is what I love about the fediverse. It is the closest to actual anarchist communities I’ve seen and it works great.
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On mastodon I follow a lot of hashtags and so I will mute foreign language accounts so they don’t show up in my home feed. Thankfully I’ve never had to block an entire instance but I chalk that up to troublesome instances already being defederated from my instance
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Fascist ideas don't spread because they make good points. They spread because they get repeated so much. People who don't know any better believe it because they've heard it so many times, or from someone they trust. Federating with fascists gives them more people to spread their ideas to.
Talking to conservatives can definitely help, but it really depends on the context. Just having people who they disagree with in their lives can can be helpful. If you're someone they trust you might get them to work through some things. Or if you know a topic really well and know what talking points they're likely to bring up. But it's nearly impossible to get though to people who already hate you.
Everyone is at a different place with what they want to handle. Some people just want a small friendly community where they have a chance to relax. Others want a more open communities that only keep out the worst. And some are okay with putting up with harassment to reach more people. But generally we shouldn't force others to put up with that harassment along with us.
