You can see who upvoted and downvoted a post by viewing it in friendica.
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What do you mean "send fake votes"?
Or rather, who do you think should be responsible for identifying and blocking fraudulent votes?And how do you reconcile votes that come from servers that you've defederated with? Should everyone have the same view of the post, or should people only see votes from servers that their server is federated with? What about votes from users you've personally blocked? Etc
I personally kinda think that the responsibility is on the server hosting the post, and that everyone should see the same (but anonymous) vote count, of which the hosting server is the single source of truth.
A malicious hosting server could use fake points to blast any message to the top of everyone's feeds until manually banned or defederated
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Yes, after all other servers need this information in order to prevent double voting, you can't just have servers sending each other information "somebody upvoted this" and also tell when servers are allowing users to vote more than once.
So upvotes and downvotes aren't actually private, never have been, some servers may display them publicly even if most don't.
Over thinking.
Only the instance needs the username to register the vote, the count can then be updated by the instance. Simple and lightweight
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It's the age old argument of "It's not Communism that's bad, it's the human element."
Speaking as if any system created by humans will ever be free of the human element, which is of course faulty logic.
, which is of course faulty logic
...which is why design systems so that when using them we can account for the human element, right? Come on! We have centuries-spanning systems even industries built on that! Engineering, avionics, Yelp reviews...
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Yes, but then you can have malicious servers sending fake numbers without other server operators being able to check whether this is at all plausible.
(It's still possible for malicious servers to send fake votes, but server operators can see which users they are stated to originate from, then block that server if that looks like it's doing that. At least that is my understanding.)
It's only fake numbers for posts on the instance.
Not the first malicious instance, wont be the last.
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I don't know this name, I read its part of the Fediverse... Does this affect us?
Yes, it is probably the oldest or second oldest server suite in the fediverse (diaspora is maybe older).
It was an early supporter of statusnet and pump.io, which are the earlier versions of ActivityPub.
It originally used it's own protocol to talk to other friendica instances, but a lot of plug-ins came out adding support for everything, even Facebook support for a while.
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If the same user downvotes everything I’ve ever said,
Right. How would you know what "the same user" is? Let's say that your posts get downvoted at random intervals by 5-10 users in the first 45-120 minutes. They all have different user names. What are you going to do? Create a report against any particular user and hope that the mods look into it?
If everyone's votes are public then it seems trivial to see how any particular user votes.
If user shithead69420 downvotes literally everything I post, they're probably not a good faith user.
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If everyone's votes are public then it seems trivial to see how any particular user votes.
If user shithead69420 downvotes literally everything I post, they're probably not a good faith user.
Yes, but that's kind of my point?
if downvotes are public, the admin of your instance can see who is downvoting you and then they can take action. If the downvotes are coming from an instance that hides the real user for every vote, you and the admin are SOL.
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My guess is accidentally hitting the button while scrolling, and too lazy to change it.
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Upvotes seem to just federate as likes and dislikes.
I think lemmy instance admins can see this too. Doesn’t even have to be a friendica instance
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Yes, but that's kind of my point?
if downvotes are public, the admin of your instance can see who is downvoting you and then they can take action. If the downvotes are coming from an instance that hides the real user for every vote, you and the admin are SOL.
Oh I see, you were talking about a hypothetical where all instances hide their votes and so no one knows who is voting on anything.
My assumption was that these vote records would remain transparent on most instances because the instances that hide their votes just get defederated, because those are always going to be instances where trolls hide.
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A malicious hosting server could use fake points to blast any message to the top of everyone's feeds until manually banned or defederated
Yes, that's happened before. They were sending a very large number of votes, so it was immediately obvious. Even a couple dozen from an unknown instance will be noticed, when an admin sees it and says "huh I haven't heard of that instance" and when they look there's nothing there.
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Cant you just defed with them?
If you can identify all of their instances, yes.
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The first isn't really interesting, and the second is clickbait. I wouldn't say there is no reason for downvoting them.
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A malicious hosting server could use fake points to blast any message to the top of everyone's feeds until manually banned or defederated
I'm not sure how giving every server access to the votes solves that.
The malicious server can make fake users to pump up votes. your server admin has to notice, then check the vote logs, then see what's happening and defederate them. That's pretty much what you described in your scenario, anyways. -
Upvotes seem to just federate as likes and dislikes.
Neato. I don't approve of other people getting to hide vote ratios from us.
It should be an option to enable seeing the exact amounts in Lemmy.
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I think lemmy instance admins can see this too. Doesn’t even have to be a friendica instance
Yeah. It's kind of lame how they can see it but we don't.
There should be an update that allows users to choose for themselves whether than can see the exact numbers.
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Yes, after all other servers need this information in order to prevent double voting, you can't just have servers sending each other information "somebody upvoted this" and also tell when servers are allowing users to vote more than once.
So upvotes and downvotes aren't actually private, never have been, some servers may display them publicly even if most don't.
They should be.
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I wanna say it was built into Lemmy originally as well but they removed it from the FE
It’s in lemmy but only available to instance admins
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Upvotes seem to just federate as likes and dislikes.
I wish I could see what scummy lemm.ee mods removed my comments and got me banned
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Yes, after all other servers need this information in order to prevent double voting, you can't just have servers sending each other information "somebody upvoted this" and also tell when servers are allowing users to vote more than once.
So upvotes and downvotes aren't actually private, never have been, some servers may display them publicly even if most don't.
Hashing exists for this use case
