Is Thunderbird Mail safe to use privacywise?
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I have 2 concerns:
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I recently read the firefox Terms Of Use paragraph that people are posting which doesn't sound nice in terms of privacy.
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Back when Mozilla had their own Mastodon instance called mozilla.social, every time I signed in I would be blasted with trackers according to uBlock Origin.
I'm no expert in these things and I want to ask if anyone recommends that I switch away from Thunderbird Mail and if so, which open source email client? Thanks in advance.
This doesn’t bode well at all: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/
Thunderbird operates in a separate, for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation.
A free mail client from a for-profit company? What’s the revenue model? Sounds like I must the product somehow.
The Thunderbird for-profit entity, MZLA Technologies Corporation, is distinct from the Firefox for-profit entity, Mozilla Corporation, and both are wholly owned by the non-profit entity, Mozilla Foundation.
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I have 2 concerns:
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I recently read the firefox Terms Of Use paragraph that people are posting which doesn't sound nice in terms of privacy.
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Back when Mozilla had their own Mastodon instance called mozilla.social, every time I signed in I would be blasted with trackers according to uBlock Origin.
I'm no expert in these things and I want to ask if anyone recommends that I switch away from Thunderbird Mail and if so, which open source email client? Thanks in advance.
What's a good alternative?
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I have 2 concerns:
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I recently read the firefox Terms Of Use paragraph that people are posting which doesn't sound nice in terms of privacy.
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Back when Mozilla had their own Mastodon instance called mozilla.social, every time I signed in I would be blasted with trackers according to uBlock Origin.
I'm no expert in these things and I want to ask if anyone recommends that I switch away from Thunderbird Mail and if so, which open source email client? Thanks in advance.
Yes, fully open source. If you don't trust Mozilla, use a fork like Betterbird.
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This doesn’t bode well at all: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/
Thunderbird operates in a separate, for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation.
A free mail client from a for-profit company? What’s the revenue model? Sounds like I must the product somehow.
The Thunderbird for-profit entity, MZLA Technologies Corporation, is distinct from the Firefox for-profit entity, Mozilla Corporation, and both are wholly owned by the non-profit entity, Mozilla Foundation.
That’s odd
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This doesn’t bode well at all: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/about/
Thunderbird operates in a separate, for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation.
A free mail client from a for-profit company? What’s the revenue model? Sounds like I must the product somehow.
The Thunderbird for-profit entity, MZLA Technologies Corporation, is distinct from the Firefox for-profit entity, Mozilla Corporation, and both are wholly owned by the non-profit entity, Mozilla Foundation.
The page you linked
To us, data ownership and privacy are your right wherever you live. Our commitment to your personal data is simple:
We do not collect or store it unless you ask us to.
We take great care to keep it safe from misuse.
We will never sell it.
You retain ownership and control of it.
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The page you linked
To us, data ownership and privacy are your right wherever you live. Our commitment to your personal data is simple:
We do not collect or store it unless you ask us to.
We take great care to keep it safe from misuse.
We will never sell it.
You retain ownership and control of it.
This for-profit company saying that I am not the product doesn’t necessarily make it so, and it doesn’t explain what is the product or service being sold and to whom. And just as their Firefox counterpart changed their terms yesterday, they could change theirs tomorrow.
Mozilla hasn’t been moving in promising directions lately. Mozilla's CEO doubles down on them being an advertising company now
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This for-profit company saying that I am not the product doesn’t necessarily make it so, and it doesn’t explain what is the product or service being sold and to whom. And just as their Firefox counterpart changed their terms yesterday, they could change theirs tomorrow.
Mozilla hasn’t been moving in promising directions lately. Mozilla's CEO doubles down on them being an advertising company now
Without advertising money and alternate revenue streams there would be no Mozilla
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Yes, fully open source. If you don't trust Mozilla, use a fork like Betterbird.
Thanks, that was my question. I use betterbird and wasn’t sure if this had anything to do with it.
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Yes, fully open source. If you don't trust Mozilla, use a fork like Betterbird.
If you don't trust the source, how is a fork built from the same source going to help?
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If you don't trust the source, how is a fork built from the same source going to help?
It's not really not trusting Mozilla but more what they do to their products, telemetry and else
The same source with patches if you prefer that
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If you don't trust the source, how is a fork built from the same source going to help?
You think they only renamed it?
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You think they only renamed it?
I mean if the core is from them and you can't confidently say that the fork creator has reviewed and continues to review every piece of the code before they merge, you're still trusting Mozilla.
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I mean if the core is from them and you can't confidently say that the fork creator has reviewed and continues to review every piece of the code before they merge, you're still trusting Mozilla.
We are not banned from doing that. If Mozilla was really hiding something it would not be libre software.
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I have 2 concerns:
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I recently read the firefox Terms Of Use paragraph that people are posting which doesn't sound nice in terms of privacy.
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Back when Mozilla had their own Mastodon instance called mozilla.social, every time I signed in I would be blasted with trackers according to uBlock Origin.
I'm no expert in these things and I want to ask if anyone recommends that I switch away from Thunderbird Mail and if so, which open source email client? Thanks in advance.
What else is there to use on my Samsung galaxy s23 ultra?
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I have 2 concerns:
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I recently read the firefox Terms Of Use paragraph that people are posting which doesn't sound nice in terms of privacy.
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Back when Mozilla had their own Mastodon instance called mozilla.social, every time I signed in I would be blasted with trackers according to uBlock Origin.
I'm no expert in these things and I want to ask if anyone recommends that I switch away from Thunderbird Mail and if so, which open source email client? Thanks in advance.
Mozilla's telemetry change in Thunderbird Android makes me say "find a different client."
Generally, you should pick and choose your battles. Mozilla on the whole isn't a company whose software I trust anymore.
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Yeah I'm just in the process of moving to Evolution from TBird on my desktops for this reason. Not sure what to use now Moz bought K9
FairEmail has a good reputation.
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FairEmail has a good reputation.
Awesome. I'll take a look, thanks
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Yes, fully open source. If you don't trust Mozilla, use a fork like Betterbird.
Does Betterbird even remove telemetry from Thunderbird? From my knowledge they only add a few Bugfixes and recompile the binary. Never heard them talking about telemetry, tracking etc. Does anybody know?
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Mozilla's telemetry change in Thunderbird Android makes me say "find a different client."
Generally, you should pick and choose your battles. Mozilla on the whole isn't a company whose software I trust anymore.
This is normal usage stats. Every app has that. You can opt out and you get asked when launching the app the first time. This isn't that bad.
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This is normal usage stats. Every app has that. You can opt out and you get asked when launching the app the first time. This isn't that bad.
Stop gaslighting me.
