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Would wine from back in ancient times and civilizations have been dogshit compared to a basic marketable wine produced by modern viniculture?

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  • anon6789@lemmy.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
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    Oh, very cool! I've only done random wines, and I did distilling once. Pomegranate and date sounds really good!

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      Oh, very cool! I've only done random wines, and I did distilling once. Pomegranate and date sounds really good!

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      The theory was to get the proportions right to replicate the pH, sugar content, and tannins close to grape must without having to add much else. Turns out, by chance, that on those three factors, pomegranate and dates are all roughly different from grapes in opposite directions and amounts to each other.

      I live in Scotland, which is not exactly prime pomegranate and date territory, so they're both kinda expensive here and not great quality out of season. I did a trial run with pomgranate molasses to just see if I was on to something without spending as much money (or having to crack open and juice like twenty pomegranates)

      If I figure out an actual good recipe I'll be sure to stick it on [email protected]

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        "Fortified" means that liquor is added which acts as a preservative and it also stops further fermentation so you can have more sugar left in the wine. Oftentimes, herbs are added, too, which also acts a preservative.

        In beer, IPAs are similar in that greater amounts of hops were added so it could survive the trip to India with less chance of spoiling.

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        Do you know when the first liquors were discovered or stumbled on? Did they have it back then in ancient times?

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          Fun fact: Jacques Cousteau and his team once discovered a shipwreck with some intact jugs of 2000-year-old Roman wine. For whatever reason, they broke one open and drank some of it. They said it wasn't all that tasty at that point.

          Except, after they had their party and were working on recovering the rest of the wreck, they realized that the intact one they'd found right at the beginning was the only one that had been intact. Literally the singular one. They searched extensively to try to find another, and couldn't.

          Oops.

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          I dunno. Someone's gotta experience drinking the wine, might as well be the ones who found it

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            I dunno. Someone's gotta experience drinking the wine, might as well be the ones who found it

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            I mean they could have had it analyzed, probably found out some pretty fascinating things about Roman wine, and then if they wanted to drink it after before it went bad, maybe they could just save some out when they were delivering it for study. Or they could have sold the thing to finance a whole other expedition probably.

            I get it. You can't live your life just saving it all in the right file folders. At the same time...

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              I dont know wat that meenz

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              It's a fortification

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                Do you know when the first liquors were discovered or stumbled on? Did they have it back then in ancient times?

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                I think full modern-strength liquor is relatively new-ish (500-1000 years). I'm just thinking back to the meme of the wikipedia article on the "timeline of Irish inventions" that has the invention of whiskey and then a gap of 300 years before they invented anything else.

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                • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                  Clay vessels, being porous, would alter the flavour and would harbour yeasties and other microorganisms.

                  There's a winery in Sonoma called the "Jacuzzi Family Vineyards" (yes, that Jacuzzi) that does fermenting in amphora jars for their Clarum. It is just about my favorite wine. Very light and minerally, perfect for a hot day. At $50/btl, its not cheap. But I like to set aside a bottle or two for special events.

                  If ancient wine is anything like that, they've got nothing to complain about.

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                  Congratulations, you just sold two bottles of wine. Do I need to use a referral code?

                  Jokes aside this looks amazing. One of the best wines I've ever tasted is called TALEiA, by Castell d'Encus out of Spain. It is exactly as you describe — refreshing, light, with a mineral note because they age it part of the time in these ancient granite basins. It has a trembling newness with a brave young heart underneath, simply magical.

                  https://www.decantalo.com/lu/en/taleia.html

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                    Congratulations, you just sold two bottles of wine. Do I need to use a referral code?

                    Jokes aside this looks amazing. One of the best wines I've ever tasted is called TALEiA, by Castell d'Encus out of Spain. It is exactly as you describe — refreshing, light, with a mineral note because they age it part of the time in these ancient granite basins. It has a trembling newness with a brave young heart underneath, simply magical.

                    https://www.decantalo.com/lu/en/taleia.html

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                    Congratulations, you just sold two bottles of wine. Do I need to use a referral code?

                    Damn. Should have considered negotiating that in advance.

                    One of the best wines I’ve ever tasted is called TALEiA, by Castell d’Encus out of Spain.

                    Turnabout is fair play. I suppose I should order a bottle or two myself.

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                      Go back in time and give an ancient king some boxed wine and be given 500 sheckles, 3 goats, and a concubine.

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                      Or just take a 5kg bag of refined sugar to buy a whole ass estate with slaves

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