DuckStation dev dropping support for Linux
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Homie doesnt let you fork the shit to maintain it yourself. He made the problem.
Doesn't change how people treat developers. I gather this guy isn't that great, but people should just move elsewhere instead of being hostile.
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Just do it anyways, fuck what he wants.
Forking against the license wouldn't solve the problem of not being included in distributions though. No sane distribution would include the fork.
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Forking against the license wouldn't solve the problem of not being included in distributions though. No sane distribution would include the fork.
Again, look at how distros handled DeCSS back when that was an issue. There were just "unofficial" 3rd party repos hosted in places that didn't care about US crypto laws.
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Sucks that people are so shitty about problems that crop up in FOSS. Just be nice about things and it wouldn't be a problem, the developer owes you nothing.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The dev forbids packaging his emulator via licence. I'm pleading that they're the asshole here.
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Dev doesn't allow packages of his open source project, people keep creating packages, dev stops support for the OS entirely.
wrote last edited by [email protected]jwz & Igara Studio S.A. had the exact same issue with distros maintainers, that they were forced to disallow QA testing and logging for distro related situations that really isn't their focus.
Distro makers need to dogfood their own packages, their own support system, and their testing, separate of the original software maker.
Analogy for commoners:
This is like asking a bidet seat maker to fix your entire toilet/bathroom.
Like no, get plumbers, workers, and a designer to make your dream toilet. Leave the seat maker alone.::: spoiler spoiler
You still got to clean the toilet every week.
Seat makers are not janitors.
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
Explanation: https://lemmy.world/comment/18532107
tl;dr dude is a bit of a control freak
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
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Again, look at how distros handled DeCSS back when that was an issue. There were just "unofficial" 3rd party repos hosted in places that didn't care about US crypto laws.
Crypto laws aren't copyright. Protesting an unjust law via civil disobedience is entirely different from hypocritically breaking a law you yourself rely on just because you wanna.
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jwz & Igara Studio S.A. had the exact same issue with distros maintainers, that they were forced to disallow QA testing and logging for distro related situations that really isn't their focus.
Distro makers need to dogfood their own packages, their own support system, and their testing, separate of the original software maker.
Analogy for commoners:
This is like asking a bidet seat maker to fix your entire toilet/bathroom.
Like no, get plumbers, workers, and a designer to make your dream toilet. Leave the seat maker alone.::: spoiler spoiler
You still got to clean the toilet every week.
Seat makers are not janitors.
:::My take on a better analogy:
The bidet maker is pissed because people complain to him that their bidet is leaking or has cracks. He's annoyed at a distribution/installation company because they fumbled, so he'll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
Oh, and the bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
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And you can't even fork it
From the looks of it the version most people use (the one that comes in package managers) was already forked awhile ago from the version the dev did allow to be forked, and the official version hasn't been used in package managers for awhile, because the second version was under a read only license and distros therefore couldn't package it.
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Explanation: https://lemmy.world/comment/18532107
tl;dr dude is a bit of a control freak
wrote last edited by [email protected]From the linked comment it sounds like there was a license change in the projects history. I'm surprised the various distro packagers didn't just collaborate on a renamed fork, unless there are more actively developed emulators still under a FLOSS licence?
Edit yep it was GPLv3 about 11 months ago: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
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Forking against the license wouldn't solve the problem of not being included in distributions though. No sane distribution would include the fork.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You could if you want fork from when it was GPLv3: https://github.com/stenzek/duckstation/commit/7f4e5d55dbdef5a50e0aa4994f667fb03d854928
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My take on a better analogy:
The bidet maker is pissed because people complain to him that their bidet is leaking or has cracks. He's annoyed at a distribution/installation company because they fumbled, so he'll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
Oh, and the bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
Sure I'll accept this analogy irt stenzek’s justified reaction. But this part is particularly wrong:
so he’ll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
This is the damn crux
. GAMERS, PLEASE DONATE AS IF IT WAS REAL SOFTWARE YOU'RE BUYING. You don't know how easily you can solve this by having paid workers fixing all this. -
Explanation: https://lemmy.world/comment/18532107
tl;dr dude is a bit of a control freak
wrote last edited by [email protected]dude has a PhD and the social skills of the paper it's printed on
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Sure I'll accept this analogy irt stenzek’s justified reaction. But this part is particularly wrong:
so he’ll handle installation himself but only to the houses he approves.
He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
bidets are free and nobody gets paid a cent.
This is the damn crux
. GAMERS, PLEASE DONATE AS IF IT WAS REAL SOFTWARE YOU'RE BUYING. You don't know how easily you can solve this by having paid workers fixing all this.He doesn't 1) install, 2) approves any bowl, 3) or should he. He can refuse to make bidet seats any time, but prefers wașiki seats instead.
He directly provides releases for Windows x64/ARM64, Linux x86_64/ARM32/ARM64 (in AppImage format), and macOS. He also explicitly forbids modifications, and since he considers "pre-configured settings" to be modifications, and this is basically barring any other distribution.
So while ultimately you're right in that he doesn't install it himself, he provides a super-simple "do it yourself" kit for people who live in apartments, while making anyone else who lives in a house have to assemble it from a million separate pieces themselves.
Note that I'm sympathetic, and I don't know what the solution here is, but hopefully everyone figures it out...
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Homie doesnt let you fork the shit to maintain it yourself. He made the problem.
Then it's not FOSS.
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
Retroarch keeping the core anyway, probably not the best ps1 core even if it dissappear.
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License doesn't allow you to do it
wrote last edited by [email protected]This is a bit pendantic, but GitHub's TOS allows users to fork your public repositories, regardless of its license.
You couldn't modify the new code under the dipshit license, but you can do whatever you want to the slightly older code under the good license.
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Retroarch keeping the core anyway, probably not the best ps1 core even if it dissappear.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I prefer Beetle PSX (the non-hw version). Very accurate emulation, even compared to Duckstation. Not as great for enhancements, though.
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The post says AUR builds are being blocked and soon Linux support will be dropped entirely.
I think I've been using pcsxr for too long to care.
Is there anything that makes duckstation worth using over the other psx emulators?
