Tutanota / Mailbox.org?
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Protonmail uses pgp under the hood. Their encryption was only ever within proton accounts because they had an automatic key lookup system. You can of course add your own keys, but most didn't. Still pgp.
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That's true once it's received, but it's still processed by proton and now we know they are pro-nazi so who knows what they would do.
You can avoid this with pgp as stated (default for proton to proton messages), but I don't think it's worth considering the at rest encryption at proton anymore.
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This is accurate
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Its simple as hell, out of the way. Its a no fuss email that seems to have all the features you'd want. It just works. Carbon neutral and all the good stuff we all like to boot.
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Yes. You can get it with proton too, but you need your own domain for that iirc.
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What ideally I’d like is some sort of good encrypted email [...], which can achieve decent Android integration. Proton apps are pretty useless to that effect [...]
Don't need provider-specific apps if their services use standard protocols:
- IMAP: Fair Email or K-9 Mail(/Thunderbird)
- CalDAV: DAVx⁵
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Sigh...right. But people DO need email. For banks. For taxes. For governments, healthcare, and lots of other crap.
So yeah, I'm skipping the whole "encrypted mailbox no-knowledge", since it's both cumbersome and useless unless anyone around you ALSO uses it (otherwise, those super private emails can be way more easily intercepted during transit than in your inbox anyway).
I just want some attempt at privacy from some EU nation while keeping some decent interoperability.
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SimpleX becomes a pain when using multiple devices
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Tutanota is also german, if I am not mistaken.
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Librem
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Hmmmmm I'd say Librem is US-based. Not to mention their whole mess with delivering pre-orders (and normal orders) of their Librem phone. Last time I checked they still didn't fulfill most of their orders right?
...Nah I think this shouldn't be where to trust my email. -
Mailbox.org is great, their webmail setup is good and has contacts and calendar and all the things you would expect to have. With Cal/CardDAV and ActiveSync support too.
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I have used both. Both are good. Tuta doesn't support people as people said, but I think you'll find that the amount of people you will interact with that can and want to use pgp encrypted email is slim.
The way tuta works is you can send and receive regular email. And when you send it encrypted, the recipient gets a regular email that's says something like"you received a confidential email" (you can edit the text). That person then follows a link in the email and you need to provide them with a password (ideally you provide this password out of band... by text or chat or something... but you can of course just send by regular email).
After they log in, they are basically on a limited web interface to tuta where they can only exchange emails with you (but they can see every email between the two of you in their "inbox).
It's a pretty good system. There is also encrypted calendar and contacts. They have webmail of course and also apps. There's a dedicated calendar app.
Mailbox.org is actually more of a full office suite at this point. The web interface isn't as tight and can be confusing. They can handle your pgp keys or you can do it yourself. You need to decide if you care about trusting someone else with your keys. I actually still have my mailbox.org address because I like the domain. It forwards to my tuta email.
Oh yeah, tuta also allows you to use any of a number of their domains or you can bring your own (pricing may vary). They also have aliasing and catch-all addresses for custom domains.
Both are based in Germany for what it's worth. German privacy laws are pretty strict. For any law enforcement to be granted access to any of your stuff there needs to be a court hearing. They have a warrant canary and transparency report here https://tuta.com/blog/transparency-report .
Also, because tuta is end to end encrypted, all they can release is encrypted data. There's is more of an explanation at rhe bottom of that transparency report post about what can be requested and what data they even have on users. Mailbox.org might have similar policies but I haven't taken the time to find them.
One thing I will note is that tuta has HSTS enabled I believe so if you're behind a corporate firewall that does certificate snooping by way of MITM when you try to access, it won't connect.
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Wouldn’t that be only between Tutanota users anyway?
Just since nobody else answered your question: No. A Tuta user can send an encrytped message to anyone (including non-Tuta users). Those users then get an unecrypted message, saying "Click here to read your message", which takes them to the Tuta site, which lets them see the message. The non-Tuta user can then reply to the Tuta user as they like.
But you're right about the UI. Tuta users have to use the Tuta UIs (mobile, desktop, web).
