Friendly reminder that Tailscale is VC-funded and driving towards IPO
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Maybe this is a pet peeve but it's a vpn tool that forces you to log in with an "identity provider". Yeah, no thanks.
That's a basic requirement for almost any company. If you're into hard coding credentials just use wireguard directly.
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If there's no one who can replace you with someone else, if you don't deliver profit growth that they expect, then there's a chance for you to apply principle over profit because it's up to you. Many if not most corporations however can and do replace corporate leadership that doesn't deliver profit growth with one that does. In these circumstances, leadership can rarely put principle over profit without being replaced. Many if not most of us see the direct effects of this process on our lives, working to get ever more of our incomes and health. This process hasn't stopped and hasn't slowed down. The opposite. This is why you're hearing us grinding against capitalism as we can see the system all around us grinding us down. This is why it's likely you'll keep hearing it and it's likely gonna get louder. I might not have your product in my home. If I do, I might be very happy with it because you're not trying to get as much money out of me as you can. However I am certain without checking that I have Unilever, Kraft, Nestle, PepsiCo, Google and so on, and I know they are. You probably do too and they're probably skinning you just as much. This is what capitalism is for us and we will grind against it because our standard of living is falling and it's not because of people like you. Small businesses have much more in common with us in this, than large corporations, or small corporations funded by large capital of different kinds. I'm an employee of a very large, well known American corporation that has strategically stopped making products that were objectively better for its customers but had lower margins, replacing them with much more expensive, higher margin ones. I'm not getting anything from the difference. Our major shareholders do.
I get all of that. I really do feel ya. However, I find it quite difficult to raise my ire over a free product (Tailscale) that I use in conjunction with my hobby, changing up their game and going IPO. I guess I do not take my network as seriously as others here do.
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Yeah, I think you missed that. Go back through and reread comments please. Thank you.
Could you summarise for us please? It's not clear.
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I'm unsure if it has been mentioned, but a similar tool which is open source (you can run the backend unlike tailscale), netbird
Headscale is the tailscale backend server
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Friendly reminder that Tailscale is VC-funded and driving towards IPO
You know what's to come.
The answer to the question is immediately. Or switch to OpenZiti or Pangolin even.
I spent an afternoon doing precisely that. Bought a domain, a vps, and setup pangolin. Can't believe how smooth it went.
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@cooopsspace pangolin is not a replacement for tailscale/headscale. different usecase imho. @avidamoeba
Ziti isn't though.
Point is, you know Tailscale will turn to shit the same way all VC stuff does.
Make no mistakes VC aren't giving money out of the goodness of their heart, they expect a profit.
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Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of “surprising” growth
Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).
“Tailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,” Pennarun said. “Meanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.”
Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.
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Sigh...
And even worse:
Everything in Tailscale is Open Source, except the GUI clients for proprietary OS (Windows and macOS/iOS), and the control server.
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Corporate VPN startup Tailscale secures $230 million CAD Series C on back of “surprising” growth
Pennarun confirmed the company had been approached by potential acquirers, but told BetaKit that the company intends to grow as a private company and work towards an initial public offering (IPO).
“Tailscale intends to remain independent and we are on a likely IPO track, although any IPO is several years out,” Pennarun said. “Meanwhile, we have an extremely efficient business model, rapid revenue acceleration, and a long runway that allows us to become profitable when needed, which means we can weather all kinds of economic storms.”
Keep that in mind as you ponder whether and when to switch to self-hosting Headscale.
I just replaced my entire setup with base wireguard as a challenge, easier than I expected it to be, and not hard to mimic tailscale.
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Tailscale never sat right with me. The convenience was nice, but - like other VC-funded projects - it followed that ever-familiar pattern of an "easy" service popping up out of nowhere and gaining massive popularity seemingly overnight.
I can't say I'm surprised by any of this.
I think there's room in the world for a selfhosted, foss version of their software, even if a little simplified.
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Vps can be really inexpensive, I pay $3 a month for mine
wrote last edited by [email protected]Same, my Hetzner proxy running NPM, with pivpn and pihole is doing all it needs to do for $3 and some change.
My only open ports on anything I own are 80, 443 and the wg port I changed on that system. Love it.
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Wireguard if you're just using it yourself. Many various ways to manage it, and it's built in to most routers already.
Otherwise Headscale with one of the webUIs would be the closest replacement.
Pivpn is really easy, and since pivpn is just scripts, it always installs current wireguard even if they lax on updating pivpn that often.
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ive been eyeing up netbird but havnt got around to trying it yet. its fully open source at least, and theyre based in germany is anyone cares about that
i used netbird heavily at my last job and i use it for a few things at home. it works pretty well.
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Join our Discord server for a chat and community support.
Sigh...
And even worse:
Everything in Tailscale is Open Source, except the GUI clients for proprietary OS (Windows and macOS/iOS), and the control server.
everything is open source except half of all things.
Lol
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, I can see value of getting a VPS, especially if you are gonna be using it for some other projects, I have had a DO instance in the past and I thinkered with WG back then BTW, but if it is only for remote accessing your home LAN, I don't feel like paying for it tbh, especially when some users get it for free (public IPv4) and it feels even dumber for me since I have a fully working IPv6 setup!
BTW my ISP is funny, no firewall at all with it, I almost fainted when I noticed everyone could access my self hosted services with the IPv6 address and I did nothing regarding ports or whatsoever... They were fully accessible once I fired up the projects! I think I read an article about this subject... But I can't recall when or where... I had to manually set up a firewall, which tbh, you always should do and it is especially easy to do in a Synology NAS.
Anyway, back to the mesh VPN part, if they enshitify so be it, but in the meantime we still can benefit from it.
Thats just how IPv6 works. You get a delegate address from your ISP for your router and then any device within that gets it own unique address. Considering how large the pool is, all address are unique. No NAT means no port forwarding needed!
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Tailscale offers a paid Mullvad integration, where you can select most Mullvad servers as exit nodes. Works quite well.
Yes, I'm using it as well. It works very well on android and Linux.
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That's pretty standard in a business life-cycle, though
I don't know where people ever got the idea that normal = acceptable. I hear this used to justify all sorts of awful crap. It was only ever normalized because users were apathetic.
And what about the Linux Foundation? They are funded through private equity. Should you consider switching away because of that?
Does The Linux Foundation have complete control over Linux?
Linus is fairly vocal over what is and is not allowed into the Linux Kernel. Pretty sure he has the final say on every commit.
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Same, my Hetzner proxy running NPM, with pivpn and pihole is doing all it needs to do for $3 and some change.
My only open ports on anything I own are 80, 443 and the wg port I changed on that system. Love it.
How does WG work on the local side of the network? Do you need to connect each VM/CT to the wireguard instance?
I am currently setting up my home network again, and my VPS will tunnel through my home network and NPM will be run locally on the local VLAN for services and redirect from there.
I wonder if there is any advantage to run NPM on the VPS instead of locally?
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That's a basic requirement for almost any company. If you're into hard coding credentials just use wireguard directly.
There are tons and tons of websites where you can create an account with just your email. I wouldn't expect a third party account to be mandatory. Specially from a product like this one.
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Are there better alternatives? I was planning on using tailscale until now.
Depends on your use case. If you're just looking to expose services and are ok having them publicly accessible, there's Cloudflare Tunnel, or you can run WireGuard on a cheap VPS
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I just replaced my entire setup with base wireguard as a challenge, easier than I expected it to be, and not hard to mimic tailscale.
I did this was well awhile ago. Felt nice to completely control everything.
