Trump tells Zelensky 'make a deal or we're out' in angry White House meeting
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No, most of you either directly voted for him or didn't care if he won.
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How is NATO dead, just because the US is no longer reliable the rest of the countries can still respond
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Man, don't take a look at the conversations sub. They are all high fiving each other over this. For them it was a rush of masculinity and power live on TV. You've got folks saying that Vance never looked so good and how they want to name their first born over him.
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Why did people vote for the Orange one? How.can you be so stupid?
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Ah it's time for Poland to raise a big stink about the next errant missile and invoke article 5 as the zerg rush red square
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NATO is dead for all practical purposes. You think this trump asswipe is going to lift a finger if anything serious happens in Europe?
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NATO was a tool of American influence. Just as the Warsaw pact was a tool of Russian influence.
The trans-atlantic partnership is over. NATO is obsolete, a successor is needed. America has checked out,
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Further, it's 50% of the people in the swing states that really decide things. I'm sure most New Yorkers and Californians that didn't vote did so because they knew their state would go blue regardless.
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Nato is not dead just because the US leaves it.
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I wasn't convinced at first that NATO is dead on Trump's first term. But here we are and it is a long time coming.
Some analysts think that the unipolar world is over, and that we're heading into a multipolar world again but dominated by regional blocs. The EU is definitely there, and sometime later the African Union will become more cohesive and globally influential. But I don't see Latin America having as strong regional grouping as the EU. In Asia, we can forget it because Asians tend to be insular. There is ASEAN but they do not have the same solidarity as the EU.
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the US and Hungary have no reason to officially leave NATO because they can sabotage it from within and use it to blackmail and steer Europe into the position they want, being puppets of Russia and US.
the last thing America wants is a detatched Europe that isnt allied with them, they see independent Europe as a hostile entity, they are only interested in Europe being vassal states.
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Definitely not most.
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For one why limit it to the North Atlantic? Japan, South Korea, and Australia should get in on the action too. And France and the UK can help them all get nukes (yes I mean that seriously - US and Russia being the only large nuclear powers is a disaster). Now would be a great time for the stable democracies (not the US) to create a new alliance.
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Europe is closer to Russia. Some of Europe borders it.
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Yep. The rule of thumb is that if you were in a swing state, your vote counted for about 5-6 votes because of the way the electoral college works.
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And even more didn't vote in 2024 than 2020- and most of those who didn't vote this time would have otherwise voted against Trump. 50% of US votes is far far less than 50% of people eligible to vote in the US.
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Yeah.
Yeah...
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It’s time to acknowledge the majority is fascist and wants it. There isn’t some silent majority waiting on the sidelines .
Trump is who America is and who it aspires to be.I also hate it here.
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Not necessarily monsters (actually yeah they are), but he has a 40 year history of being compromised and owned by Soviet and Russian oligarchs. I'm reading "American Kompromat" now and it couldn't be clearer. It's not even hidden or anything. The Russians really just, won the Cold War. They did it, they toppled the US. Good job for them.
