Proton has stopped using their Mastodon account
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In a normal scenario yes. This is not longer a normal situation. You support Trump? You better start hiding…
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A lot of human actiona are unfalsifiable because we csnt read minds. That why inference about what people say and do is important.
The salute is just a reference to this behaviour writ large. It's not the beginning of it at all. Nazi and alt right groups have been doing dog whistles for decades, and the internet has proved a fertile ground for the behavior.
Its fine to not be aware of things like "88" or "14 words" or the like, but they are dog whistle memes used by racists and nazis, the people the mainstream right has been shifting towards for years and years. You very well may have some cultural touchstones that coincidentally use the same memes without that racist context, but when you're applauding the racists and using the terms at the same time?
Satre has a great quote about how facists dont care about what they say or do, as language is just a game to them:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Jean-Paul Sartre
This game is wholley embraced by racists, so giving people "the benefit of the doubt" plays right into their game of feigning decroum while ramping up hate.
Again this may be an unfortunate coincidence for the proton CEO, but that does not undermine the overall point that he currently appears steeped in rightwing ideology, and that is not okay for someone claiming to uphold freedom and privacy.
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It’s not “his” company
I meant "his" the same way I say "my" company: it's not mine, but it's where I work and who I work for.
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Correct? Those two are indeed separate countries with separate laws.
My explanation of the above was just a general breakdown about how nonprofit and for-profits differ. It was certainly US centric, if that's your critique.
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Proton is really just trashing their rep.
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Three years ago I made an issue on their feedback page because the android app doesn't really work on degoogled phones, it requires gms for notifications. Still not fixed.
Nice privacy focused App that can't fully be used if you take privacy seriously.
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I disagree. Posting and ghosting still helps people keep up to date with any news about the organization.
I'm not going to go out of my way to check a bunch of different org's blogs (and I'm not a fan of RSS), and prefer to be able to get news through social media. I only get news outside of aocial media when I want to properly study something in depth.
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Yeah that's also true. But I switched to proton specifically to have LESS work managing automatic email aliases that are tied to instantly creatable passwords/accounts. I might look into bitwarden with their alias service integration. But I'm not looking forward to another transfer of all of my stuff. For this very specific set of features, really all I can see is bitwarden or proton, and I really hope bitwarden is as seamless and easy as proton because I do not have the mental energy to fiddle with it all the time.
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I agree with you on the principle. In this case I disagree with the premise. Years of actions I think easily out weight that tweet. If that's the only reason to be suspicious, then I don't think it's warranted.
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I agree this is an issue. They move away from a privacy oriented community. Additionally, the reason they give is vague and easily dismantled.
What I'm interested in is why this would be a good enough reason to switch providers. They haven't changed anything crucial in their mail offering, so why should I switch? -
It makes sense to if they want their encrypted email magic to be useful. A paid user can instruct a contact to make a free proton mail account in order to have secure communication with them
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Nah, fair. Just based on the way Venezuelans described it to me, it seemed ubiquitous on the free end. I'm probably biased. I have no idea what their consumer demographics are, especially outside of the US.
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I worked for multiple non-profits that made a profit. That's not how this works. It's not the function, it's the cost.
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It's a good alternative & there are other services bundled-in with it
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kinda wierd for proton to promote on reddit, when reddit doesnt allow VPN usage to most users, mostly for spam/botting/ban evasions.
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i heard they stopped posting on bluesky weeks ago, not surprised they are active on meta platforms, and X.
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on reddit they can pursue sitewide bans more easily on users, since reddit had started doing this month. its to silence all criticism against them, im betting facebook will be thier next stop.
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The bottom line is that Proton does not collect your data to sell it for profit.
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like i was following a bunch yotubers one time, and i heard over the pandemic they fled to facebook, because they were crying the sub was making them look bad, they are on facebook specifically so they can do what reddit mods can do, ban people, block them from thier discussions, delete criticism comments.( they had thier followers, and the employees systemically attack one of subs about them and taken it down, the current one they couldnt do it, so now they are trolling it)
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reddit allows you more ability to censor people permanently from the site, in the form of sitewide bans and automatic removals and such.
