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What is the most dangerous ideology in the world and what makes it dangerous?

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    Well, Islam is definitely up there - and you only need to look at the Middle East for evidence. What makes it particularly dangerous, in my view, is the doctrine itself - especially the parts concerning treatment of women, martyrdom and hatred of infidels.

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      Nazism seem to be the worst since it's an awful mix of nationalism, imperialism, totalitarianism, state racism, eugenics.

      A nazi state basically invades its neighbors and genocide their inhabitants based on race, community or health condition.

      So far, only the Third Reich applied it, leading to World War II and the Holocaust, but Japan applied some similar behavior in Asia during WWII.

      Bonus point: it doesn't even oppose capitalism, so rich people can still greed.

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      Nazism wasn’t particularly pro- or anti-capitalist as an ideology. Free markets, international finance, and trade weren’t embraced, and private property and businesses were only allowed as long as they aligned with the goals of the state. The government largely dictated production and would nationalize, heavily fine, or even destroy companies that didn’t serve its interests.

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        Not an ideology but I say extremisms, of all kind. Not only religious and political, those are obvious, but also day to day habits.

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          I'm surprised by the number of downvotes I got, not that I particularly care about them per se, but the implication that so many people are either Muslim or support Islam on Lemmy is worrying.

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          i upvoted you even if i disagree because i like to engage opposite of my belief

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            Religion

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            I got downvoted to hell last time I expressed my views about religion, but it has served me well for 29 years now (having been born in the shadow of the Vatican), so I am willing to share again:

            I work, collaborate, spend time and even sometimes have sex with religious people, all while maintaining the idea that each one of them is akin to a dormant terrorist cell, and that given the right conditions their fundamental distancing from reason and in some cases recognition of undeserved authority can turn against me and everyone else.

            I live a subtly tense life, but usually I am already in a safe place when shit hits the fan.

            I also have a very wide definition of religion and of priest.

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              If most Muslims have bad beliefs, what's the common denominator/cause?

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              any proof that most muslims have bad belief?

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                any proof that most muslims have bad belief?

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                You literally said

                i will say this that majority of followers of islam have bad beliefs

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                  Well, Islam is definitely up there - and you only need to look at the Middle East for evidence. What makes it particularly dangerous, in my view, is the doctrine itself - especially the parts concerning treatment of women, martyrdom and hatred of infidels.

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                  As someone who escaped Islam - 100%. Unlike other religions that take original texts as interpretations Islam takes the original texts as literal words of God and is essentially stuck. It's a dead religion that exists only through force.

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                    I think any idea is worth listening to, it's the assertion that we must inherently accept their viewpoint as valid that is outright absurd.

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                    On the playground sure, but at some level it's show the receipts first or get fucked up to discourage gish gallop. If we don't preemptively shut it down, we're in extreme danger.

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                      As someone who escaped Islam - 100%. Unlike other religions that take original texts as interpretations Islam takes the original texts as literal words of God and is essentially stuck. It's a dead religion that exists only through force.

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                      Yeah, my understanding is that the interpretation of the Qur’an and Hadiths doesn’t allow for the same kind of flexibility or reform that the Bible does, for example. Of course, that doesn’t mean someone can’t practice a non-fundamentalist version of Islam - and many do - but it’s much harder to justify when you're going against what’s considered the literal word of God.

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                        This is surely the correct answer and for the reason you give.

                        If we're honest (and informed - a big ask, here) then we should concede that capitalism has been generally good for our species. A quadrupling of human population at the same time as a doubling in longevity - the numbers don't lie and they perfectly track the victory of capitalism as the world's economic system. Leftists don't want to hear it, but it's clearly true.

                        But whatever this ideology did for humanity, it has been a complete disaster for all the other forms of life that we share our planet with. And that fact is going to catch up with us soon enough.

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                        I think capitalism was a great and necessary thing to get humanity to it's current post-scarcity state. As you said, production and innovation were really aided by capitalism in the early days of man, but now that we have all the shit we need to survive, all it does is deprive those without.

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                          I think capitalism was a great and necessary thing to get humanity to it's current post-scarcity state. As you said, production and innovation were really aided by capitalism in the early days of man, but now that we have all the shit we need to survive, all it does is deprive those without.

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                          I don't see how capitalism deprives people of anything. Surely that's a problem of wealth distribution, which is politics rather than economics.

                          But otherwise agreed.

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                            Ableism. As disability advocate Imani Barbarin says, if bigotry is the goal, ableism and eugenics are the toolkit. If you look at the history of any form of systemic bigotry, the justification for human atrocities almost always boils down to “well these people can’t contribute to society, so they don’t deserve to be a part of it.”

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                              "Us vs them" mentality.

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                                dogmatism

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                                dogma

                                /dôg′mə, dŏg′-/

                                noun

                                A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a religion

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                                  Religion, because they all believe that they are the only ones who are right, and everyone else needs to believe what they believe, or else something bad will come of it.

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                                    Individualism.

                                    It has led to a massive amount of duplication of human effort. We could all live massively improved lives if we acted as a community organization instead of a bunch of individual little fuckers whose opinions matter.

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                                      dogma

                                      /dôg′mə, dŏg′-/

                                      noun

                                      A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a religion

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                                      dogmatism

                                      noun

                                      dog·​ma·​tism ˈdȯg-mə-ˌti-zəm

                                      : the expression of an opinion or belief as if it were a fact : positiveness in assertion of opinion especially when unwarranted or arrogant

                                      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dogmatism

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                                        Any and every form of dehumanization.

                                        Any and every form of bigotry.

                                        Any and every form of supremacy.

                                        Any and every form of authoritarianism.

                                        Every single person from the homeless guy at the on-ramp to TACO himself is an ordinary human. Some humans are born into extraordinary circumstances, some humans accomplish extraordinary feats, but we are all human. Humans are not born hating other humans. Hate is taught and encouraged and ingrained so that it may be passed on.

                                        Universal Basic Income is a bandaid on a system couched in one of the ugliest human motivations; greed. I chose my name for that reason; Universal Basic Justice. Justice must be the base motivation; not 'eye for an eye' or 'frontier justice,' but the belief in treating others as you want to be treated; the belief in the powers of forgiveness, responsibility and growth; and the power of compassionate care dedicated to help those that are willing to learn and grow.

                                        If and only if all those fail should a human be separated from society in a humane way that prevents their flaws from harming others.

                                        Death Row is not justice. Guillotines are not justice. Systemic violence is not justice. No government nor individual should be empowered to decide who is worthy of justice, of forgiveness, of growth. Of life.

                                        Every human is fallible. Every human deserves the opportunity to recognize their mistakes as well as the opportunity to learn, grow, and make reparations for those mistakes.

                                        I don't see these changes happening in my lifetime. At this point, I'm not sure we humans have enough lifetimes left to achieve these goals.

                                        What I am sure of is the danger and violence incumbent within any ideology willing to look down at another human being.

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                                          The certainty of being right.

                                          Why? Because when (any)one is sure to be right it means the other must be wrong and since they're wrong they probably should not even be allowed to say what they have to say.

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                                          I cut a very cherished friend out of my life on Tuesday because of this mentality. When he said "I'm not going to read what you write or consider the point you're trying to make" the first time it was enough. The second time was too much. I expressed my wish for his life to improve, told him good-bye, and removed/blocked him.

                                          The next morning I woke up to a text claiming I didn't value his friendship and that he'd be here for me when I got better. That's when I truly realized how long he'd been disregarding the support and compassion I'd been sending his way.

                                          I spent Tuesday mentally digging a grave for the friendship. I spent Wednesday filling it in, and that night I drank to the loss of a friend and to the health of the man who replaced him.

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