Zorin OS 17.3 replaced the default Browser from Firefox(Old) to Brave(New).

[kindaabigdyl@programming.dev]

It has to be the default tho, bc the whole point of Librewolf is that it's trying to by default be untraceable and private.

It's very easy to disable that and re-enable cookies and the like, but your default experience will fundamentally be private, which is its goal

[daggermoon@lemmy.world]

The distro sucks anyway. They ship really fucking old packages, even more so than Debian or other stable distros.

[bcsven@lemmy.ca]

It is marketed as direct windows replacement, so it appears they choose absolute safety, over possible breakage. If that GRID product they tout ever launches it will be great for companies.

[Guest]

https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/

[unfortunateshort@lemmy.world]

...Except there are three players in that game already. Go by the names of Red Hat, SUSE and Ubuntu

[osrsneedsf2p@lemmy.ml]

Ok but like, that makes a terrible default for Zorin OS users. They're gonna be confused and think it's some hot garbage

[housewolf@lemm.ee]

As a Librewolf user I wouldn't make it default for casual users this kind of distro is aiming for. Sure enabling logins to use it as a main browser is piss easy, but that's still more work than the average person wants to put into setting up their system.

Waterfox would be the better choice since it's just default Firefox in every way besides Mozilla's spyware.

[enkers@sh.itjust.works]

Asides from the kinda-shady crypto stuff and the other things that've already been mentioned, just philosophically it should be kinda evident that over-concentration on one corporate controlled rendering engine isn't a good thing. Google wants the internet to be a walled garden with themselves as the sole decision makers.

Gecko's web compat is bad largely because of this over-concentration.

[Guest]

The thing I dislike about Brave is that Brave intends to be an advertising company. Brave's original idea for revenue was that the browser itself should be the ad platform. Brave doesn't block ads because it has a pro-user manifesto; it blocks ads because it dislikes competition.

That's why it makes no sense for people to abandon Firefox for Brave. I understand the backlash against Mozilla's recent ad-focused shift, but Brave invented that idea. So leaving Firefox for Brave is not an improvement.

It's the browser I've chosen to use after getting fed up w/ Gecko's terrible web compatibility these days (coming from Librewolf).

I'm curious about what those compatibility issues are. It's been years since I've noticed any problems -- and back when I was seeing problems, it was mainly because Google could afford to implement new standards faster than Mozilla could, not because Mozilla was doing anything wrong. Could it have been because of Librewolf? Librewolf has a ton of privacy-focused settings that can sometimes make pages behave in strange ways. (It doesn't use your real time zone, it ignores dark mode, it lies about which OS you're on, and it constantly clears your cookies to name a few.)

And on a meta-note: I dislike Brave, but I don't think the parent here is a comment that needs to be downvoted. We can just explain why Brave is a bad idea.

[Guest]

Agreed, I wouldn't recommend Librewolf for casual users. I understand why Librewolf makes those decisions, and I'm glad that it exists, but you definitely run into some quirks when using it. I'm thinking about switching from Librewolf to Waterfox myself.

[Guest]

I feel like if they were gonna go chromium, they should have gone with Vivaldi. It may not be open source but it's not doing a crypto scam. Waterfox would have also been a good choice, probably better because it's Gecko.

[bcsven@lemmy.ca]

We see SUSE and REL at corps and enterprises, not so much Ubuntu. None offer something like GRID though. Central management tool for Admins to deploy all systems equally from central location, with dashboard view, without having to run scripts or autoYAST to keep systems the same

[enkers@sh.itjust.works]

That's not the only point though. IIRC, they also remove telemetry, and pocket as well as some other things. I personally turn back on persistent sessions and history, but leave all the other privacy features there.

[Guest]

Blech. I'd downvote this because I disagree with their decision, but I'm glad you brought this to our attention.

[earthshiptechintern@lemm.ee]

It isn't.

Brave sucks Google balls.

[jakobfel@retrolemmy.com]

I hope to see more distros do this. Strongly considering buying a Pro license just to support them for doing the right thing. Screw Mozilla.

[jakobfel@retrolemmy.com]

What's wrong is that we're on the Fediverse and many here write off Brave because the founder is "homophobic" because he's a conservative Christian. Sure, they make up all sorts of shallow justifications like "it's a crypto scam" but it definitely boils down to the "homophobic" whining.

[hawke@lemmy.world]

I dunno that I’d consider Brave to be “the right thing” but more variety/competition is best!

[cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de]

I have ff installed but uses librewolf for most uses. Should I be worried if ff is in my system? Somebody please explain.

[reversalhatchery@beehaw.org]

I think we're pretty far from that being a problem