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Trump’s proposed ‘land grabs’ mean US now seen as a risk, says Munich security report

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    Like it was not a risk before. People just didn't want to see the obvious.

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      Imagine working alongside the native army and then one day being told that those who are essentially your coworkers are now the enemy.

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        After decades long alliance-building, the US don't seem to value them anymore.

        That's because everyone who was on the same page about this was slowly supplanted by Tea Partiers with no understanding of how power systems work. Their only reference is the propaganda that wasn't meant for the elites, but the previous generation of elites didn't tell anyone else because name one elite who shares with competition.

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          Probably one of the many things that will be his downfall if he stays this course. Telling the military to fight people who have been very close allies for so long will not go over well.

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            Imo, Europe is better off forging its own path, only collaborating with countries such as China when it is in our strategic interest to do so.

            Europe, without the U.S. needs to increase it's military spending. (Same with Canada, who, I hate to say it, really needs to get some nukes onto it's territory on loan from somehwere)

            Ironically, NATO increasing it's military spending is something that the U.S. has been bitching about for years. So now they'd finally get their wish, but in some weird monkey's paw Faustian way.

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              I think it's a lot more malicious than a neglect of institutional knowledge.

              The people are suffering economic anxiety, Trump points at <insert economic partner> as the cause of their economic woes, and builds popular support for some stupid land grab that trades the country's soft power for some quick corporate profits. By the time the long-term damage sets in, they are off to the next grift a few hundred billion dollars richer. Tale as old as time...

              They know the damage they are causing--they just don't care.

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                The US is not just a member of NATO, they are a member that surpass the remaining members (taken collectively) in every regard. Its not just the equipment or manpower lost but the ability to launch a military intervention around most of the globe, something the US, and only the US can do with combined arms. We also lose most of our effective and experienced leadership, technical capabilities like spy satellites and GPS.

                If the US want to invade Europe, they can do so while mostly being sure that we (EU) can't effectively shoot back, with or without the bases on our soil, like it's not even close.

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                  It's even more malicious than that: the erosion of US soft power is good for Russia, and Trump is a Russian asset

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                    it might be an easy thing for a group of foreign nations with some resources to rectify.

                    Yeah I don't think any American allies want to declare war on the US, and I don't think any American enemies are unhappy with that one person.

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                      "Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven" is not the best ideology for the general wellbeing if the population.

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                        I hope the other countries and their people see the US blowing its legs off and take a moment to reflect if right wing reactionaryism really is right for them.

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                          Hope might not have the best standing at the moment, but I'm right there with you.

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                            It could also be the Elon musk effect.

                            "Why have three fasteners. Why not two?"

                            In the same regard they are pushing their allies till one of them breaks. Then they know that's the point to stop where they get maximum benefit

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                              All that is more reason to try to gain military independence from the USA, not really a good justification to let them hang out in our territory while threatening our allies.

                              And no matter how mighty their military might be, having military presence in our territory is still a massive advantage. I mean, look how Vietnam and Afghanistan went for them despite their might; they are not an unstoppable force. Why make it easier for them in the ever increasing chance of a war?

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                                Because there's nothing to be gained and everything to be lost from the US leaving NATO.

                                Yes, there are good reasons to develop an EU army with the same capabilities as the US but realistically speaking that's decades away if we could start today but we're not even discussing it seriously. In the meantime making any decision furthering the US from NATO gives no advantage to Europe.

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                                  Yes, you are right but your also wrong. The EU can and would fight back. It would not be an even fight, we would lose badly but it will be fought. And the US will get kicked the fuck out eventually. Because if history has proven anything then it is that the US can't hold on territory because it loses its will to fight each and every time. The problem is, the US likes winning. It just doesn't have the faintest idea what to do after.

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                                    The whole American hole freeway... A large 4 Lane freeway extending the 5fwy all the way down to Patagonia. Its 500ft underground so Mexico and the other Mexican nations wouldn't be bothered. If they are bothered, they are more than welcome to try fill the hole with precious water....tunnel warfare!

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                                      Dear Europe,

                                      Please take us seriously as a threat and invade us and liberate us and adopt us as your wayward bastard child so this can be over.

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                                        Canadians, even as their country is directly threatened with economic ruin and annexation, and even as they watch the USA going downhill rapidly under fascism, are about to elect a guy who bases his whole new-found "tough guy" schtick on Trump, and who has courted the support of neo-Nazis. I really hope they see what's happening next door and think twice, but I have little faith in electorates making smart decisions.

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                                          We really can't - your oligarchs and other fascists have nukes.
                                          This one you'll have to figure out internally, or we are all screwed. 😞

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