Why do most people stay in centralized social media platforms when the Fediverse exists?
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Most people are like sheep and just follow the herd.
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Speaking of complaints we have about the fediverse...
You linked to a post on sh.itjust.works, but I'm on slrpnk.net, so if I want to interact with it, I have hoops to jump through first.
Or I would have had hoops to jump through to get the lemmy.world link where that comment is (nominally) hosted. There's a chainlink icon and a technicolor pentagram icon, neither of those do it. I either have to manually go to lemmy.world's website, find the comment there, copy the link from there, come back to my account at sh.itjust.works and post it, or I post a sh.itjust.works link and send everyone on an indirect path. It's...not good.
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Speaking of complaints we have about the fediverse...
You linked to a post on sh.itjust.works, but I'm on slrpnk.net, so if I want to interact with it, I have hoops to jump through first.
It’s just the default front end that does that. Using a front end like voyager can automatically redirect links to the instance you are signed in on, more apps and the default front end ought to do that quite frankly
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Lazy. Most people don't want to learn how shit works. They just want it to work. They'll get what they pay for in the end.
When did you begin using the fediverse? I didn't stop being lazy until I joined diaspora in 2011.
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Inertia, convenience of what you're used to, and all of your friends are over there and have never heard of 'the fediverse'.
also: Actively censorinv the mention of lemmy.. at least on reddit as far as I am aware. Maybe even threads.
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It's far more complicated than email, at least I can send an email to any valid address from any other address by default ( mostly ) - Lemmy / Fediverse is like needing multiple email addresses that each one can only email some of the others, and you might not even get the response someone sent you unless the content is literally carried back to you.
I have multiple accounts on multiple instances, and sometimes I come across posts I read with one account, but my comments or the responses to those comments just aren't there, so you only get a portion of what is out there.
It's kinda a terrible experience in that way.
Qualifying your analogy with (mostly) kinda makes it fall apart for me. Because the fediverse also works like how you described email (mostly). There might be a few extra exceptions due to relative immaturity of the protocol is all.
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When did you begin using the fediverse? I didn't stop being lazy until I joined diaspora in 2011.
When Spez went full cunt. To be fair, I was an IRC nerd to start off though.
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Do you know any regular people? Most people I know have never even heard the word fediverse.
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When Spez went full cunt. To be fair, I was an IRC nerd to start off though.
Maybe it's possible that there are many people who are not on the fediverse today for reasons similar to why you weren't two years ago. Not that much has changed since then (other than, possibly, your own understanding).
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There are going to be layers to this.
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There are lots of people who are just downright too stupid. They wouldn't be on the internet at all if Tim Apple didn't put it in a baby baba for them to suck it out of. They use Facebook because their iPhone came with the Facebook app pre-installed.
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There are lots of people for whom popularity is the only thing that exists. Their brain cannot function beyond "Everyone uses Twitter." They'll adopt this platform only after everyone else in the world does.
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There are lots of people who have bought the propaganda. The dark web is for drug traffickers and hitmen, torrenting is for pirates, end-to-end encryption is for traitors, and Mastodon is for Linux neckbeards. You shouldn't associate with those people.
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There's this weird trend where the commercial platforms are becoming hives for conservatives, so they're probably going to stay put in their echo chambers. I have observed little to no presence of actual conservatives on this platform; beyond the horseshoe effect with the tankie crowd.
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The culture of content consumption is not supported by the Fediverse. We don't do algorithmic slop troughs here, and the amount of content on Peertube and Loops rounds down to zero, so it doesn't fulfill the role of mesmerizing colors and sounds for staring at and drooling like Tiktok does or linear television did.
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Open source software is usually a bit shit. Be it lack of budget, opinionated developers, redundant projects...we can never have one of something. Why does Lemmy, Mbin and Piefed exist simultaneously? We always end up with software that mostly works, has a lot less graphical polish, a shitty project name, a few missing key features and a couple workarounds you just have to know about. Or an intentionally godawful UI. That'll put people off.
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A few people who show up are going to be put off by the weirdest decision they'll be asked to make this month: "Choose an instance, your choice doesn't matter, just pick one." If it doesn't matter, why make me pick? I bet if you watched 100 people try to sign up for a Fediverse platform, at least 30 of them will balk at that stage. I've sat and stared at that for awhile myself and I'm one of the ones who made it through.
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They just haven't heard of us. Ask ten people you know in real life if they've heard of Lemmy, or Mastodon, or Pixelfed. I bet they haven't, or if they have they let it pass in one ear and out the other out of apathy.
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A few people have looked at the Fediverse, didn't see what they wanted here, and left. If you play Satisfactory, for example, you'll find an active subreddit where the majority of the player base and the developers of the game interact, on Lemmy you'll find one community where exactly one person posts "daily screenshots until I get bored." It's easy to wander off, especially if you don't like left wing politics, Linux and the Fediverse itself.
#6 is the weakest. Software diversity drives innovation.
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“Choose an instance, your choice doesn’t matter, just pick one.” If it doesn’t matter, why make me pick?
Email requires you to pick a provider, but it doesn't matter.
I feel like this issue will solve itself with scale. You'll end up signing up with the one hosting the community you came over for first and moving if you don't like it
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I can also see some people being opposed to them spending the donation money on ads, since they'd be giving money to companies that may be in opposition to what we're doing here (or ideological reasons around the advertising industry in general).
Maybe if there was a separate pool of donations specifically for advertising, then people who want to support that can donate to it? Those who don't can still donate to the projects themselves
That's a smart idea. Instances can buy ads for their specializelation
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Ads on the street (like at bus stops) could work well too
You can even do it yourself for the price of wheatpaste and printing
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Even if people know fediverse, if the content they want doesn't exist here, they won't stay.
There are Japanese Twitter refugee to fedi (especially Misskey) several times. A lot of big creator doesn't stay as they want to get the highest number of engagement to keep their (art) business afloat.
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#6 is the weakest. Software diversity drives innovation.
No, it drives duplicated effort on the basics, asterisks in compatibility and confusion among new adopters. We're not innovating here; we're talking about three parallel Reddit clones.
There's a #10 for you: A lot of the commercial sites were new and exciting because they let you interact in ways you couldn't before. Facebook facilitated interactions with people you knew in person, Twitter let you briefly shout at everyone in the world, Youtube became your own personal television show, Tiktok destroyed attention spans...every single Fediverse platform is a clone of one of those (plus Pixelfed is Instagram, whatever Instagram is for). To my knowledge there is no ActivityPub-based project that has a unique or innovative concept behind it, just store brand copies of pre-existing ones.
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The current US administration and its demagogues and lackeys have been doing all sorts of things they shouldn’t be able to do in a normal society. You’d be amazed at how quickly they’d be able to shut down a form of mass media they can’t control.
It’s fine if you don’t like my mentality. I’m highly selective about who I let into to my day to day life in meatspace. I like small gatherings, and keep a high bar for who I want to associate with. I don’t see why I shouldn’t apply the same principle to my internet life.
Literally the opposite. What are they gonna do? A cyberattack against an instance hosted in Europe? That's an act of war
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Is this a joke question?
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Do you know any regular people? Most people I know have never even heard the word fediverse.
Not to mention "most people" wouldn't fit in here or feel welcome. Remember Donald Trump won the popular vote and even those who didn't vote didn't feel strongly enough about either side to pick one or the other. It's not just the US, far right candidates keep gaining popularity in parts of Europe. And I think a lot of people aren't interested in Star Trek or trans rights. The niche communities have very low levels of activity too. The fediverse just isn't for everyone.
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Ease of access and user experience. A single platform beats that, as you don’t have to choose where to signup and everything will be available without effort.
However, Lemmy is getting better with that and hopefully the user base continues growing. It doesn’t need to have a billion users to be an awesome experience.
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Have you invited people to the fediverse?
