Hubris
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If it's maintenance they have to do regularly, there might even be a part of the pool tooled for it with arms for the floating block to sit on while they drive the lift on and off normally. Or a ramp with rollers where it gets launched like a boat and a winch to pull it back up the ramp to get out. That last one is my guess, since that whole setup could be portable as long as they had somewhere to anchor the ramp and winch.
If it's regular maintenance you get a lift that goes higher and you do it when you change the water in the pool. If the pool is empty you can just drive on the floor. Just gotta have something to lower it onto the pool floor.
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Well, have you ever stood on a lift like that? I did, on a regular basis. You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Also, the lift itself already has play. You can easily get it to swing 4 centimeters while the base is stationary. It's just play in bearings and metal slightly bending.
I agree that the lift is not made to be like that. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I've done worse, that is for sure.
But you have to use your brain.Clearly the platform has great floating capacity. If the platform would not be capable of carrying that load, it would have sunk by now. The lift is in the middle, who j means the load is putting equal pressure on all sides. That has a stabilizing effect.
Water also pushes back. If you've every tried to flip a raft in the pool, you know that it is much easier if you move it side to side a few times, the water wil help you push it over, as long as you keep adding energy at every swing. If you don't, you will stabilize.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
The one thing to keep in mind is that the higher you go, the bigger the leverage is. At some point it will probably tip over if you swing it too much, but I don't think those guys are at that point.
But in the end, this is probably not the proper way to do the work. It's fun to discuss it, but a professional company would arrange something else.
Still legendary though, I've worked for companies that would do sketchy shit sometimes and while dangerous, it was also kind of fun. And I always checked for myself first if it was safe. Because I want to go home at the end of the day. Doesn't mean you have to be scared of everything though.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
Guy this just isn't true. The people on the top are on a gimbal (?) The further they are from the centre of the base the more weight is on their side and the further they will move from the centre of the base.
I'm not trying to be derisive or whatever but checking whether you think something is safe isn't really good enough. If that's the company culture then sooner or later some idiot injures themselves unnecessarily because they checked whatever thing and thought it was safe.
Safety regulations and certifications take the decision of whether something is safe out of your hands.
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Presumably they're not frozen in time. The post was made a day ago, so at least several hours before your comment, and the picture was probably not taken minutes before the post was made. I'd imagine they got out of the water long before any of us were aware that they were ever in the water. And given that the picture isn't accompanied by a second picture of everything in the water or a story about them falling in, it's reasonable to assume that nothing as notable as that happened.
I’m not joining you on making assumptions out of nothing. I’m stating what we knew at the time without any new information.
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I cannot for the life of me understand how someone could willingly boars one of those monstrosities
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Last cruise I went on, I was 15. I don't remember it being very good. Everyone was either shitting themselves about getting norovirus, or shitting themselves because they'd got norovirus. The excursions were boring and obviously done on the cheap, and I was neither old enough to drink, or young enough to fully enjoy the kids club (I will admit I was fucking amazing at dancing to Cotton Eye Joe on Just Dance though). That and there was a 13-year-old that tried to throw herself overboard and had to be dragged from the railings by other teenagers.
The ship was nothing like that though, it was the P&O ship Oriana, which is a little more reserved. It retired in 2019 and is now a cruise ship in China called the the Piano Land.
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For me, the problem is that, given that the mat is OBVIOUSLY flexible, it seems nigh impossible to securely tie down so that the torque when extended doesn't force the mooring lines out of place.
It can’t be flexible, it is AI then
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You're there to visit it, you don't need to learn the whole city lol
You haven't seen anything of a city in a week.
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Is that... a mattress? What is that lol
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You haven't seen anything of a city in a week.
You're not mapping the whole city, you're giving it a quick visit
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Well, have you ever stood on a lift like that? I did, on a regular basis. You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Also, the lift itself already has play. You can easily get it to swing 4 centimeters while the base is stationary. It's just play in bearings and metal slightly bending.
I agree that the lift is not made to be like that. But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. I've done worse, that is for sure.
But you have to use your brain.Clearly the platform has great floating capacity. If the platform would not be capable of carrying that load, it would have sunk by now. The lift is in the middle, who j means the load is putting equal pressure on all sides. That has a stabilizing effect.
Water also pushes back. If you've every tried to flip a raft in the pool, you know that it is much easier if you move it side to side a few times, the water wil help you push it over, as long as you keep adding energy at every swing. If you don't, you will stabilize.
Unless something keeps adding energy to the swing, the swing will only get smaller and smaller. If it's swinging too much? Just stand still, don't move and let it stabilize.
The one thing to keep in mind is that the higher you go, the bigger the leverage is. At some point it will probably tip over if you swing it too much, but I don't think those guys are at that point.
But in the end, this is probably not the proper way to do the work. It's fun to discuss it, but a professional company would arrange something else.
Still legendary though, I've worked for companies that would do sketchy shit sometimes and while dangerous, it was also kind of fun. And I always checked for myself first if it was safe. Because I want to go home at the end of the day. Doesn't mean you have to be scared of everything though.
You can lean over quite a bit with them.
Well have you tried it in a pool? Im sure the solid ground helps some.
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What you explained is what I'd expect someone who's never been on a cruise before to describe a cruise. Sure, there's hecklers at the port immediately off the boat. Walk out of that area and it goes away, like every tourist destination.
Most cruise stops that I've been on have been around 8 hours, which is ample time to experience a bit of a location. I have only been on two cruises, so I'm by no means a seasoned traveler.
Unfortunately, the Caribbean doesn't have a rail system between the islands, so boating is the main option. While most cruises aren't luxury, and to get a suite is $$$, they are comfortable rides, almost assuredly more comfortable than a train, barring rough seas, which I've experienced once, and it wasn't that bad. They are slower than trains, but they have a dozen floors, 100 bars, pools, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things. I have enjoyed some of my at seas days more than some stops. Finally, vastly more interesting destinations is extremely subjective. There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
I'm not going to argue you least point. Like I first mentioned, they're terrible for the environment. All of my words above are just in response to, "why would anyone get one one of these", not to defend the existence of cruises.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
Sure, but cruises are limited to basically just coastline and port cities, whereas literally any other mode of transportation can get you to all of those places too, plus all the other 90% of land on the planet. Saying "the number and choices of destinations is huge" is technically correct, but basically meaningless when you compare it with all other modes of transportation.
Really the only places cruises can go that other modes maybe can't is:
- Remote places like the northern coasts of Alaska or Scandinavia
- The middle of the ocean
I can kinda see why someone would take a cruise to the first item, but I can't bring myself to understand the second. Like, cruising around the empty ocean for days/weeks on end sounds so boring that you'd need "12 floors, 100 bars, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things" to make it even bearable. They created their own problem (finding entertainment in the middle of empty ocean) and solved it in the most brute force, environmentally unsustainable, and legally sketchy way possible.
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There are cruises that go all over the world, so the number and choices of destinations is huge.
Sure, but cruises are limited to basically just coastline and port cities, whereas literally any other mode of transportation can get you to all of those places too, plus all the other 90% of land on the planet. Saying "the number and choices of destinations is huge" is technically correct, but basically meaningless when you compare it with all other modes of transportation.
Really the only places cruises can go that other modes maybe can't is:
- Remote places like the northern coasts of Alaska or Scandinavia
- The middle of the ocean
I can kinda see why someone would take a cruise to the first item, but I can't bring myself to understand the second. Like, cruising around the empty ocean for days/weeks on end sounds so boring that you'd need "12 floors, 100 bars, live entertainment, and a plethora of other things" to make it even bearable. They created their own problem (finding entertainment in the middle of empty ocean) and solved it in the most brute force, environmentally unsustainable, and legally sketchy way possible.
When you port somewhere, you can rent a vehicle or take a taxi to places not in the port town. If you want to travel to various tropical islands, you can fly or float, it's not like there are a bunch of transportation options that can take you everywhere.
I'm not saying that rail is a worse option, I'm saying that cruises are fun, and that's why people go on them, which was the initial question I responded to.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like. You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality. A cruise ship is a small town full of entertainment. If there were no entertainment, yea, floating in the ocean would get boring after a few hours, unless you're into that kind of thing. They are mobile resorts, and when you wake up, you're in a new location. They aren't over crowded, except when everyone is boarding and leaving, but that's true with literally every form of mass transportation.
Some people take cruises and never leave the boat. They like to relax by the pool, enjoy the spa, partake in on board activities, gamble in the casino, eat all of the included free food or drinks, or whatever.
I'm not defending the environment part, or the legally sketchy stuff, but they're entertaining.
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I can't imagine OSHA would approve this
Mostly just because they aren't wearing a harness that attaches to designated connection points on the ceiling because they are working over a platform instead of directly water.
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Given they are suspended over water, it may actually be better to not have the harness. If the whole thing were to tip the harness could get tangled and keep someone trapped under water.
Actually the rule is that if they were fully just over water they would be ok to not wear a harness but due to there being a platform beneath their working area OSHA would require harnesses with connections made to ceiling or a guide line installed for working at those heights. This is also true if you are between 2 boats for work as they are still seen as more dangerous.
But open water in a boom lift? Yeah, no harness needed.
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I mean I was really concerned about that as well, having been on the ferries which go from Turku to Stockholm. As I said though, they're kinda tiny in comparison. They're not like ferries between France and the UK or Ireland and the UK, but like more cruise ships.
Icon of the Seas is like double the length of the cruise ships I've been on (Vikin Line Isabella ~160m, Viking Line Grace ~218, Icon of the Seas 360m) but the point I made once was that just a medium storm in the archipelago of Baltic Sea, that boat was going kinda hard side to side. As in the water in the pool splashed out like a third or something and you could not walk straight in the hallways. It was bloody fun though, one of my first proper times of getting drunk.
We didn't really realise it at the time with my buddy, but the ~50 year old guy buying us 14-15y olds drinks in a sauna was probably a bit of a nonce.
Anyway, my point was that if those ships go that bendy in the Baltic Sea, wtf would this do in the Atlantic? However, some engineer pointed out that 1) it's gonna be cruising in the Caribbean and 2) the stabilisation tech that's built in a ship so much larger per tonnage is gonna make it way more stable. Plus it's way newer so the tech is better as well.
Because if the pool splashed around as much as the medium size jacuzzi we were in with the nonce, then I'd be scared to go to some of those top pools.
I don't remember the specifics, but I do remember that the guy convinced me.
The stabilization tech in the newer ships is just astounding even if it's ridiculous. Massive air jets blowing a constant stream of bubbles beneath the ship inorder to lower friction and increase buoyancy is just so neat plus the extending azipods for tight turn radiuses tighter than older smaller ships... Just insane engineering.
If you would like to know what it would take to rock one though I do in fact know.
The waves were 9.1m or 30feet high and wind speed at 125mph. Ship listed about 14° at the maximum which was enough to bend door frames in the interior ship, however the ship is actually rated to survive a list of over 45° or waves of 50feet in height.
Anthem of the seas 2016.Also the pools are drained and no one is allowed in during those kinds of events as rocking water can actually cause people to be ejected from the pool and send them flying over the deck.
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There's all-inclusive resorts, yes, and I've found they're generally more expensive than cruises. If you make your resort hotel float, it's cheaper. I don't know why.
Because you can get away with following very few regulations if you’re in international waters, and pollute the shit out of the environment. Cruises are horrible, environmentally speaking.
My wife’s family loves cruises. I have made it very clear that I am morally opposed and will not join them on one, but her mom has tried to schedule a cruise as a family vacation anyway at least twice. I think she now finally understands I’m not going to be convinced by being told how much fun they are, after I outright said, “I understand they’re awesome, I’m sure I would love it, but I am not going to support that industry and its practices.”
At one point I honestly think she thought if she just got it scheduled and everyone else was onboard I’d come along. Fortunately she never got that far.
(I promise she’s actually a pretty cool person, I love my mother-in-law very much, but she can be stubborn.)
The polluting the waters they go bit is one of my only concerns to push back against. Depends on the ship but they shouldn't be actively polluting the water and when they do it is a mistake or the annoyance of lack of laws letting someone be lazy.
Food waste is sterilized and neutralized to be be able to either dump into the ocean if it can or be disposed of later. All trash is sorted and recycled or burned for fuel with scrubbers removing heavy pollutants from the smoke stack.
Quite a few ships actually get unprocessed gas as the processing generates the lubricant they need for the engines and allows for less chemical release at the site of the processing. And is offloaded once spent to chemical handling companies.
They even purify their own water before dumping it using algae and enzymes before uv sterilizing it.
They just mess shit up in ways that are also hard to explain, such as oasis class ships were so large that then traveling to Venice had an issue where the vibrations of the motors were shaking the foundation of the city and causing parts to collapse. Their wake churns algae from water oxygenation and so much more. But they are more or less just a city on the water with all the ups and downs of a regular one with more classism.
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Show me me the specs. Note also that this dock is not fixed to pylons, so it's being used as a barge.
EZ Dock Floating Work Platforms
The manufacturer markets them for carrying equipment.
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Is that... a mattress? What is that lol
EZ Dock is the brand name, and the company even markets its products for use as floating work platforms.
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I consider myself an expert in not dying.
No one with a Height Safety Clearance is going to work from a platform which is not certified for that use.
It's up to you to prove that this contraption is certified. Spoiler: it's not.
Anyhow, while I look forward to reading your final witty retort, I'm happy to let you engage in whatever practices you deem to be safe while I do the same. Good day sir.
(Not parent commenter) lil hedge makes it harder to argue! And more clear to me about experience/intuition vs. some specific dataset on hand.
Hope this comment doesn’t feel pushy - emphasis on my additions:
The lift is likely on a gimbal. If the wheels on one side of the lift are 1cm higher than the other, that would move the platform at the top by 8cm or something. If both guys are on one side of the platform that could be enough to make the whole thing tilt by another 1cm at the wheels, and so on.
From what I can tell, that lift is not designed to be operated on a plastic barge. So, ostensibly:
That dock is not designed to carry equipment, certainly not an elevated platform, and is not designed to be operated as a barge.
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When you port somewhere, you can rent a vehicle or take a taxi to places not in the port town. If you want to travel to various tropical islands, you can fly or float, it's not like there are a bunch of transportation options that can take you everywhere.
I'm not saying that rail is a worse option, I'm saying that cruises are fun, and that's why people go on them, which was the initial question I responded to.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like. You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality. A cruise ship is a small town full of entertainment. If there were no entertainment, yea, floating in the ocean would get boring after a few hours, unless you're into that kind of thing. They are mobile resorts, and when you wake up, you're in a new location. They aren't over crowded, except when everyone is boarding and leaving, but that's true with literally every form of mass transportation.
Some people take cruises and never leave the boat. They like to relax by the pool, enjoy the spa, partake in on board activities, gamble in the casino, eat all of the included free food or drinks, or whatever.
I'm not defending the environment part, or the legally sketchy stuff, but they're entertaining.
You're coming to these conclusions that just aren't based on reality.
I'm sharing subjective opinions based on my own preferences and lived experiences. Sorry they don't match up with yours, but we're having a disagreement about big boats, not a crisis of reality.
Clearly you've never experienced what a cruise is like.
Correct, because they don't interest me, and I'm not convinced enough by the people that like cruises to warrant spending the money on them.
There are thousands of existing "small towns full of entertainment" I'd rather go to than a cruise. I don't need my resort to be mobile, and if I want to end up in a new location, I'll book travel to that location. I don't need to go on a cruise to relax by a pool, or enjoy a spa, or partake in any of the mundane activities offered on board, or gamble in a casino, or eat food and drink drinks. Cruises don't offer anything unique that I can't find somewhere else, other than the novelty of being a cruise, and that novelty just doesn't interest me.
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EZ Dock Floating Work Platforms
The manufacturer markets them for carrying equipment.
A drill is equipment
