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  • mooncake@lemm.eeM [email protected]

    It's time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi

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    Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

    No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

    If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

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      Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s

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        Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

        No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

        If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

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        Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

        No they aren't? People just haven't actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of "ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you".

        Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla's stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).

        This isn't to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn't better spent elsewhere, but don't dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.

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          Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

          No they aren't? People just haven't actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of "ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you".

          Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla's stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).

          This isn't to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn't better spent elsewhere, but don't dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.

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          Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.

          The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.

          If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let's fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you're welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I've seen over and over.

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            Why can you not give me a straight answer?

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            I'll say this.

            When I weigh the choice of handing over my personal videos to a company that is explicitly and actively going to use them to:

            • train and improve their massive corporate AI tools
            • develop their targeted ad platform (which is their real product)
            • build a comprehensive profile about me and my family

            Or

            Putting a NAS at a friends house, or paying a couple bucks a month for some block storage.

            I end up preferring the second set of options. It's fine if you don't, but don't pretend you have no idea that your personal videos and information are valuable to Google.

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              I wonder if Tim Cook is there too. It would make sense for him and Apple to resist this at least somehow but...

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              Tim Cook is just as fucking evil as the rest of them.

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                Don't Be Evil

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                  I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren't so damn overdue. They don't even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING

                  Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.

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                  What's wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well

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                    Don't Be Evil

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                    Slavishly Follow the Fascist Government's Lead

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                      It's almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.

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                      It's too hard to change anything, but only if it's progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.

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                        Strikes do a lot more damage to companies. I think a lot of people mix the two ideas up.

                        The last most successful boycotts were mostly ones you never heard of, and at least one you rather not hear of. We managed to get tuna companies to pretend to harm fewer dolphins in 1988. Before that is was things like the 1965 Delano Grape Strike and the 1955 Montgomery Bus Boycott. The most recent boycott that actually got a company to change its marketing and outreach was the Bud Lite/Dylan Mulvaney boycott by the anti-trans right.

                        If you think you can get enough people as worked up about an issue as the chuds were about a single commercial featuring someone they were scared of, then by all means let's fire up all the engines and get boycotting. Otherwise, I would encourage people who work at these tech companies to start talking about unions and making change from the inside. But none of that does as much damage to a company as getting politicians installed who are already taking bribes from other companies. Yes this is a dark perspective, you're welcome to disagree but in my nearly five decades on Earth this is just what I've seen over and over.

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                        I don't want to take away from the general thrust of your point, I just don't think we have actually seen boycotts that people were actually fired up en masse to enforce.

                        I think up until right this very moment the general center of mass of society has been largely ok with most of what capitalism is, I think that is going to continue to drastically change, and we will see a lot more wildcat boycotts of companies that significantly hurt them.

                        That being said I agree that overly focusing on that as a strategy isn't necessarily wise, but boycotts are definitely a weapon that can absolutely blow up the bridges of corporate 'Murica.

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                        • T [email protected]

                          Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don't know how many years I've been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.

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                          Consider the decentralized family of https://trom.tf/ apps, such as https://search.trom.tf/ as a replacement (that's the only one I use of their stuff so far... but may poke around more later).

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                          • null@slrpnk.netN [email protected]

                            I'll say this.

                            When I weigh the choice of handing over my personal videos to a company that is explicitly and actively going to use them to:

                            • train and improve their massive corporate AI tools
                            • develop their targeted ad platform (which is their real product)
                            • build a comprehensive profile about me and my family

                            Or

                            Putting a NAS at a friends house, or paying a couple bucks a month for some block storage.

                            I end up preferring the second set of options. It's fine if you don't, but don't pretend you have no idea that your personal videos and information are valuable to Google.

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                            Thank you for engaging the question more seriously but I still don't care for you tone to me. Good day.

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                              Thank you for engaging the question more seriously but I still don't care for you tone to me. Good day.

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                              That's nice. Just exposing your dishonesty. Move along.

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                                A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.

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                                What was YouTube before Google bought it? Can it be remade again, or have all servers been captured?

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                                • noxypaws@pawb.socialN [email protected]

                                  What's wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well

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                                  The key point here is our programmers...
                                  ​They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language...
                                  So, ​the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand
                                  ―Rob 'Commander' Pike, creator of Go

                                  And here's a related blog post:
                                  https://valuedrivenit.blogspot.com/2015/12/to-go-language-is-mess.html?m=1

                                  It's a very opinionated language in the worst way possible.

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                                  • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zoneK [email protected]

                                    I refuse to support them after they kicked Second Thought off the platform for supporting Palestinians over the GDF

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                                    First I'm hearing but that doesn't surprise me; it's probably better than most companies you could give your money to but, in any way they could, they don't do anything truly groundbreaking such that I can justify to myself giving money rather than just keeping said money in my pocket (and, in turn, much more likely to go to mutual aid, charities, non-profits, or coöperatively-owned or union-banned businesses).

                                    They could have done a more traditional coöp, open-sourced their infrastructure (even if it was just the app.!), or really emphasized a particular stance or message they as a company would stand by…but they haven't done any of those. They basically are just offering up YouTube but as a streaming service. But that doesn't solve the myriad of issues that make a streaming service a business that (like most businesses) prey on their customers.

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                                      Don't Be Evil

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                                      I am a building

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                                        Most of them are literally Nazis. Anytime I go to youtube and finish a video all the suggested videos to watch after are obscene "anti-woke" trash.

                                        The youtube to right-wing pipeline is real.

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                                        MSN is also terrible about this shit. I turned off their new tab garbage and replaced it with Bonjourr right before the election because of all the misinformation it was showing. Crazy we just accept this shit man.

                                        As for YouTube, this is very easy to verify. Sign out of YouTube > CTRL+F5 > look at the top viewed videos

                                        You will see what garbage most of the populace sees when they go to YouTube without logging in. I believe this is the real reason they don’t care if people log in or not. They can push the narrative while seeming like they’re being good guys by allowing you to consume content “for free”.

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                                          Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.

                                          No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.

                                          If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)

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                                          Yeah, the Tesla boycott totally didn't work...

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