Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza

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Is there silence? I see plenty of comments routinely downvoted to Hell on this topic. People just downvote the dissenting voices and then pretend they don't exist.

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Ooh, a statement. Well that’s all she, or anyone else who supports Palestinians getting to stay alive and in their homes can do now.

What was she doing while running for president? She couldn't give a proper statement even then, just weasel words that clearly still showed support for israel. Words are all democrats ever have while they continue to kneel to the oligarchy (or be part of the oligarchy themselves).

the side that wants Israel to take both Gaza and the West Bank and violently remove all the residents there

Funny that you think this sentiment is contained to only one of the two major parties in the US. Their actions speak otherwise.

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That’s a depressingly binary outlook for an anarchist.

Are you sure you’re an anarchist? Because thinking that there was either the choice to vote for one party or “you’re brainwashed” just doesn’t exactly scream anarchist to me.

You’re overlooking my entire point to make a binary, deterministic point about only one decision being right in this scenario. You’re an anarchist telling people that f they didn’t vote for a political party complicit in a genocide, that they’re just as bad as the genocidal forces? There is legitimately no sense to be found in this.

I’m more of a Chomsky-esque anarchist myself when it comes to voting. And even I don’t see how you could make this claim. Under normal circumstances, I would be with you between trump and Kamala. But there is a fucking genocide happening, in the US’s pocket, and there were two pro genocide candidates on the ticket. Faulting the people against the genocide for the scenario being our reality, and not the people who wouldn’t break with the idea that the genocide was something to support? You’re not an anarchist, you’re a bootlicker.

You’re throwing the people who couldn’t stomach the fact that a genocide would’ve been done in their name had your candidate won under the bus? Not those who wouldn’t listen to the millions of people telling them they’re wrong and blindly kept supporting the slaughter? With historians and the world community and the activists screaming that we are witnessing a Nazi-esque ethnic cleansing, you’re not faulting the politicians who only see the opportunity for influence and government contracts?

You’re singers faulting…activists and peacemongers. For not voting for your candidate?

I just want to be sure I’m understanding your position here.

Don’t come at me with some binary explanation that “well the other side is worse,” I want you to do your best to shed that two party mentality to think about this in the larger picture, and then reaffirm your point for me, here.

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Lemmy.world is dead. Fuck the mods, fuck the Dems.

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If you are given a choice between two mouldy foods, most sane people would say "I don't want any of them." even if one is less mouldy than the other. We need to start saying no when given the option between two mouldy foods so we can have better foods,

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Was your approach successful?

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What rudeness? In that comment?

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I have heard your perspective before. It's disingenuous framing and discounts all democratic power of the people to abandon parties that don't serve them.

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Neo-proudhonian mutualist with a dash of agorist praxis via non-violent counter-economic (r)evolution.

Changing the system by voting is not possible. The best we can do is pick the one closest aligned with our values, that will allow us to effectively organise (vs Trump turning the military on protestors/leftists), buy the Palestinians some time (vs literal cheering for ethnic clensing).

Faulting the people against the genocide for the scenario being our reality, and not the people who wouldn’t break with the idea that the genocide was something to support? You’re not an anarchist, you’re a bootlicker.

They're statists and authoritarians—I don’t expect them to listen to reason, and I can’t change that. My criticism is directed at those who actively pushed for a worsening of the genocide by enabling that screwball to take power, rather than supporting actual anti-genocide leftists who understand that, flawed as it is, liberalism is still preferable to outright fascism. You should know better. Instead, you keep shifting between shill gambit, baseless accusations and bad-faith comparisons.

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^ This guy IMMEDIATELY starts a flame war with someone else under the same comment. Holy fuck man.

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It's the only reason they care about palestine at all. It's nothing but a political stake for them, they don't give a shit about the people dying.

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Lol you think there's gonna be a Palestine in 4 years...

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Keep telling yourself that...even if she did it wouldn't have any affect on the gio primary

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Cool cool.
Takes like this are why Palestine is gonna disappear in the next 4 years.

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It’s called not having English as a native language. I know this concept is hard to grasp for murican but please try.

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^ For the record, the removed comment was censored under the "misinformation" rule, for alleging a common plot between Democrats and Republican politicians to ethnically cleanse Palestinians, citing unilateral U.S. support of "Israel" since 1948, and Biden's arming of "Israel" throughout the 2023-2025 genocide, as evidence. https://lemmy.world/modlog/2840

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Who's gonna fight the us?? Lmfao.

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Look below your comment and see what a Palestinian thinks. And then kindly shut the fuck up with your false sense of superiority.

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Your vote is the only power you have. That means you should use it as effectively as possible. Which means you shouldn't only use it on the ideologically pure, you also use it for people who are more in that direction than the alternative.

The result of this last election is someone who supports a Palestinian state lost, and someone who supports total Israeli domination won. Your takeaway that something else happened is rare and is not the takeaway of the media, the voters, or the parties. Palestine is now dead in American politics and support for Palestine in any form will now be seen as a liability, that is if any Palestinians are left after this term. Don't shoot the messenger.

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You mean what one single Palestinian, if they are in fact Palestinian, thinks.

As far as a false sense of superiority, I have no sense of superiority at all. There is no doubt in my mind that I am the most inferior person you have ever talked to.

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Trump says Palestinians have ‘no alternative’ but to leave Gaza