What is your most "Fuck you, this is actually awesome?" take?
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Steven Universe. The online fandom was insane. The actual show was incredible.
Yeah, the fandom is… Not great. It’s basically just an American anime, but the online fans are rabid.
It honestly reminds me of the fandom for Undertale. If you only ever play the game, you’ll have a wonderful time. But if you ever do some online searches to try to dig into it further or find people to discuss it with, you’ll quickly discover that the online fandom is extremely toxic.
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Vibe coding has a niche, which is people who can read, understand, and debug code, but can't remember the syntax or can't be arsed to write everything manually. It's good for blocking in right now, basically, and that's an entirely valid use of the technology
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes please.
- I’ve found ai useful as a tool especially when switching context to a different language or framework, as a quicker way to get the syntax and features, to generate a first approximation. It works and saves time
- vibe coding is a horrendous waste of my time doing code reviews. Don’t people look at the slop their tool generates and try to refine it? Why is it ok to waste my time like this?
Edit: just did yet another code review generated with “vibe coding” and there is so much slop that will create maintainability issues in the future - did everyone forget the truism that code is much more expensive to maintain than to create? So much duplicated code, misleading names, useless and excessive tests, hard-coded strings duplicated, etc. …… and I found an entire generated function very close to identical to one the same guy already created
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Oh completely agree - but if forced to choose between those two types of trucks I know which one I'd say is more reasonable.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean, sure, but I were forced to pick I'd rather bring both to the scrapyard and get a bike instead. Or a van, but yeah. Choosing the lesser evil over time will lead to the actually good options getting eliminated.
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Lookout guys, its a prompt "engineer"!
My 5 year old niece is a prompt "engineer" too.
If you want art to have absolutely zero humanity in it, gobble up all the slop you want.
You are correct about the end stage capitalism component. But if youre truly a "prompt engineer" you should know running a local model doesnt at all unlink you from massive data sucking corps, because who do you think trained that model?
For the record I will also say that painting a picture DOES take more invested skill than a photograph, and I will respect the person who painted a scene vs took a picture of it WAY more. Now, both can be enjoyed by anyone, and thats fine.
I'll have absolutely 0 respect for any image made using ai. Its a toy, and a tool for corporations to further cut costs where they want to the most (take out the pesky humans and gross empathy, ick!)
i honestly stopped reading after you called my job prompt engineering.
machine learning has been a specialization for well over a century. i have a master’s degree in it, im an expert on the topic and am certain what i do is not “prompt engineering.”
do you think LLMs like ChatGPT just sprung out of the ground like plants? people had to design those. even if you don’t like them figuring out how to build one is engineering, doubtlessly so. using a tool that has been engineered isn’t engineering, obviously, but i’m not going to further entertain this strawmanning.
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What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Speed Racer (2008)
Uniquely colorful, silly, wholesome, every single one of its frames oozes style and creativity. It's exactly what an animated adaptation should aim to be and will forever stand out against the blue and orange, brown and bloom palettes that plagued that era of media.
It's simply so visually exciting and fun.
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Vibe coding has a niche, which is people who can read, understand, and debug code, but can't remember the syntax or can't be arsed to write everything manually. It's good for blocking in right now, basically, and that's an entirely valid use of the technology
Yeah, vibe coding is fantastic for “I want to give this input {a}, have it do {function}, and return result {z}” types of code.
The issue is that being able to articulate that to an AI already basically requires you to think like a programmer. And many of the people getting into vibe coding don’t have that kind of mindset. They want to just go “give me a program that does {z}” and expect it to work.
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I agree with 95% of FuckCars. Cars should not be the default in our society. Cars are at the root of why our cities suck so bad. We need to do as much as we can towards walkability, bikability, and public transportation. Cars won't go away completely, but they don't have to be so prevalent.
The 5% where FuckCars goes wrong is people who don't know anything about cars talking about cars. Their treatment of trucks vs vans is one of those. Vans are useful for trades, and so are trucks. Let the workers decide which one they prefer for their job.
Those workers usually don't need an F150 the size of a small house. They don't even want an F150 the size of a small house. That doesn't mean a van is necessarily what they want.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well, I've atleast got the two seater with a long bed so it's barely adequate for what I need it for at work. It's undeniable that a similar size Vivaro or Transporter would be more practical but I'm willing to trade some of that for a fun truck.
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Well, that's clearly bull. They got the same space and on top of that, they provide cover. Opens up a lot more options for stuff that shouldn't get wet.
And likewise, you can also park easier with them (they have back windows too). Plus, they are safer. If stuff sticks out of the car that's a transport hazard right there.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ok, but it's clearly not. On more than one occasion, I've loaded up large appliances or furniture with a van only to learn that it won't fit through the back hatch, or there are cubbies and curves inside that cut the corners. Even if you have plenty of empty space inside, you have to fit it through a smaller keyhole. I have been stuck with a half empty back and a tied down hatch because the opening wasn't big enough to get the whole thing in.
With an open bed truck you can just drop the tailgate or drop it in from above.
I can tell you have a real hard on for vans, but just ignoring facts because they don't fit your stance is ignorant. I've never even owned a truck, so I don't care about defending their honor or any bullshit like that, but you have to give them credit where it's due, and they haul like nothing else, even vans.
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You normally cook salami?
Nooo…I would've sworn that was a burger.
That was the most appalling part, for me: I thought they'd just slapped a whole raw patty on top everything.
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Just get a van instead, bro. They're way more practical.
I literally have one, why does someone have to say that every time. There are reasons to have a truck.
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My main gripe with TLJ is that the editing is a total mess. Multiple scenes lose continuity between shots. The most egregious example is the milk scene, which in addition to being gross and unnecessary, was clearly jammed in between two shots meant to be continuous. Rey and Luke start walking down a skinny peninsula, no space cow in sight, then hard cut to space cow and Luke milking it, then hard cut back to the end of the peninsula and Luke setting down his stuff.
You know we drink milk from COWS right?
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Lookout guys, its a prompt "engineer"!
My 5 year old niece is a prompt "engineer" too.
If you want art to have absolutely zero humanity in it, gobble up all the slop you want.
You are correct about the end stage capitalism component. But if youre truly a "prompt engineer" you should know running a local model doesnt at all unlink you from massive data sucking corps, because who do you think trained that model?
For the record I will also say that painting a picture DOES take more invested skill than a photograph, and I will respect the person who painted a scene vs took a picture of it WAY more. Now, both can be enjoyed by anyone, and thats fine.
I'll have absolutely 0 respect for any image made using ai. Its a toy, and a tool for corporations to further cut costs where they want to the most (take out the pesky humans and gross empathy, ick!)
The skill that it takes to produce something is a horrible, horrible metric for what makes something good art or not. There are artworks that took tons of skill but are boring, bland, generic, emotionless - all the things you don't like about AI art. There are artworks that took next to no skill but stand out as powerful, great works that resonate with everyone.
Skill is a proxy used to judge art in place of having developed taste. The purpose of art is not to show off, to flex your skill, or demonstrate technical superiority to others. This is a very sad, utilitarian, economic view of art that I beg you to reconsider.
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Speed Racer (2008)
Uniquely colorful, silly, wholesome, every single one of its frames oozes style and creativity. It's exactly what an animated adaptation should aim to be and will forever stand out against the blue and orange, brown and bloom palettes that plagued that era of media.
It's simply so visually exciting and fun.
This was the video essay that won me over to that film.
Also this video (much shorter) is just funny: https://youtu.be/WC0YAJR6xQQ
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That looks like a huge truck, there's nothing small about it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Its an old Ford Ranger:
The animation does make it look a bit wide.
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What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?
Twinkies. The perfect dessert.
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Wait but why would someone defend ai art...
Like the only reason I can think of is it maybe makes someone who is lazy feel good about themselves because they make a computer generated picture with zero effort (while stealing from real artists and feeding the megacorp machine) ?
Sorry, this is on the same level of saying "well they denied electricity at first and this is just like that!" Braindead take.
Carry on. (Yes im reinforcing your comment by even replying here, ha!!)
wrote last edited by [email protected]Here's my reason for it. Let's suppose that I have set a xylophone up outside near a rocky cliff face, and one day, some rocks fall loose from the top of the cliff and strike the xylophone in such a way as to coincidentally produce the melody of Bach's Prelude in C Major from the Well-Tempered Clavier. Is this melody any less beautiful, less artistic, because it was not produced by a human? Does it really matter whether the xylophone event happened before or after Bach's writing of the Prelude? If the xylophone event happened first, would we say Bach's authoring of the melody was superfluous?
Consider this: there are 8 notes to a major scale, and so this means that there are only 32,768 possible 5-note sequences within one octave to make a melody out of (more if you count the timing of the notes, but the point remains). The possibility space of melodies is already implicitly formed by the medium. When Bach writes a 5 note melody, we say that he has created a melody - but we could just as well say that he discovered one of the pre-existing 32,768 melodies of 5 notes.
This paradigm is true in visual arts as well. We can start with a small example: imagine a community of pixel artists making black and white pixel art images on a canvas of 32x32 pixels. Or you could imagine them as weavers of rugs with up to 32 weaves in and out in both directions, if you'd rather a low-tech example. There are a HUGE number of possible ways to choose to color in these pixels even just black and white. But the number is still finite. Now let me ask you this. Have you ever made visual art before? If you have, you probably know how the blank canvas full of possibilities quickly narrows down to constraints as your composition comes along. "If my figure is posed like this, I can't show both the elbow and wrist, unless I use a strange perspective...", "if I give them black hair, it darkens the composition too much and doesn't look as good, but maybe if I add more light it could work..." Etc. What is it that you're doing as an artist? You're narrowing down the possibilities, from the HUGE possibility space of the blank canvas, to narrower and narrower "acceptable" configurations according to the criteria of the goal you have in mind.
Now suppose instead that I was doing really constrained pixel art - black or white only on a 3x3 grid. In that case there are only 512 possible artworks to be made. In that case, we COULD lay out all 512 of them, and just pick the one we like best. But if we were not very smart people, maybe we couldn't figure out this trick, and we'd have to use our artistry to explore the 512 possible canvases one by one. We can imagine an artist eventually choosing configuration #371 as their artwork. They probably won't think of as though they've chosen configuration #371, they probably will think of it like "I have come up with this new arrangement of pixels on the 3x3 canvas" - but in reality all they did was discover a possibility that has already existed since the beginning of time. Either way, I hope you and I agree that this person's pixel art, despite being small and likely pretty boring, is still ART. It's a work of art, although maybe not a great one. Now if I have a computer do the same process - explore this latent possibility space according to some criteria, finally selecting one possible configuration - and let's say the computer also selects #371. Are we going to say this is not art? But this would be paradoxical! It's the same image the artist made! Anyone who is familiar with the notion of "the death of the author" will see this is quite the same sort of principle. And if the computer happened to select #371 before any human did, would we then accuse the human of having "copied" the computer? Clearly not. This line of thinking, to me, is a strong one to defend AI images as possibly being legitimate and original art.
As an artist, you cannot create a new possibility within the medium. You can only actualize a possibility that has always latently been implied by the constraints of that medium. This is why many musicians and artists often talk about "finding" a melody or "finding" a vision. They find it because they are searching. They are searching their own unique path through that massive possibility space. The possibility space is too large for us to just simply look at every possibility and pick the one we like best - so we have to explore it, choosing at every moment which direction is best to step towards next, based on what we've got so far, and what we think we've learned about the shape of this possibility landscape over our experiences as artists.
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What I mean is like, what do you think is unironically awesome, even if people now think its cringe or stupid?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Superman
A lot of people dismiss Superman as being "too powerful" or "unrelatable." They’ll say Batman is more relatable because he doesn’t have superpowers. But seriously, how many of us can actually relate to being a billionaire playboy with unlimited resources? In contrast, Superman grew up in small-town, working-class America. He is as much Clark Kent as he is Superman.
People call him a "boy scout," as if that’s a flaw. But that misses the point. The fact that he has the power to rule the world and chooses not to, is what makes him extraordinary. He sets an ideal for people to strive for.
Yes, in the hands of a bad writer he can become a walking deus ex machina. But in the hands of a good writer, Superman becomes the core of some of the most powerful and iconic stories in comics. His greatness doesn’t come from what he can do, it comes from the choices he makes.
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Funny that everyone agrees with this take when it comes to trucks, but if you apply it to clothing it is "toxic masculinity".
I’m not even sure what you mean precisely, but men’s expressiveness through fashion is a bit squelched, yeah.
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Crazy watching you get downvoted for driving a pickup.
Most of the people on these forums live in major cities and don't do any real work with their lives, so it's understandable.
I guess I was mistaken for holding them to a higher standard.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's perfectly representative of the opinion asked for.
Getting down voted is hilarious, because we're admitting "fuck you, this is actually awesome."
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Twinkies. The perfect dessert.
