6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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I think it'll feel like pop os. Pretty much set up for gaming right out of the box, but anything deeper and you're forced to touch the terminal. What I do think it has going for it however is the publicity of Steam, plus a promise on Steam's part to continue to dump a bunch of resources in to making it a better experience. I'm not expecting mass migrations, but it will likely be what gets all the folks on the fence to switch over, at least among gamers
Terminal usage is inevitable with Linux. It's not as scary as it seems and can actually create a sense of accomplishment when you use it. Pop is a solid distro for sure but you don't need a "gaming distro" to game on Linux these days (not that Pop is a gaming distro specifically). There's actually a Linux Experiment video where he proves this with a thorough test. All major distros work fine for gaming.
I encourage people to not go for SteamOS unless you're setting up a PC you want to use solely as a home console, or if you're flashing it to a different handheld.
That, all coming from a big Valve fan. I simply don't think it's a good idea for people to get their hopes up over SteamOS somehow being a no-terminal, peak gaming Linux experience. I also don't think it's a good idea to hold off until SteamOS gets its full PC release, because most major distros today will work just as well. It'd literally only benefit people to start learning Linux now so that by the full SteamOS launch, they'll be more informed as to whether it'll be something they'll find useful enough to use as a daily driver.
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I'm in Windows 11. I have regret it, but after so many tweaks of the system, removing telemetries, changing menus, and other Windows shit, i had not the energy to move back to Windows 10.
Only OS change i am willing to make is to move to Linux, but gaming is not there yet, and am now trying to move from big proprietary companies to FOSS, so time is needed.
May i ask why gaming on linux isn't for you ?
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Upgrade tool says my hardware isn't supported, seems like I can enable TPM on my motherboard but it doesn't work right for some reason I think I managed to install Windows 10 without secure boot or something, not sure if those two are even related. I was thinking maybe I'd have to reinstall windows 10 with those modules enabled in order to upgrade to windows 11... Has anyone else encountered something similar?
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It's not like that shits gonna make your computer explode the day they end support lol
Sure, but I wouldn't recommend using a system that gets no security updates. Its more than worth upgrading or switching to linux to avoid that.
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My plan is to use my Linux box as my main PC with Steam installed so that I can remote play from my Windows gaming PC since not all titles natively work on Linux for me. That way, the only activity being performed on my Windows machine is gaming and everything else will live in Linux Mint
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I'm in Windows 11. I have regret it, but after so many tweaks of the system, removing telemetries, changing menus, and other Windows shit, i had not the energy to move back to Windows 10.
Only OS change i am willing to make is to move to Linux, but gaming is not there yet, and am now trying to move from big proprietary companies to FOSS, so time is needed.
My experience with Linux gaming has varied pretty wildly. My old r9 290x could hardly run anything on linux. And if it did, it would run horribly compared to on windows.
Recently I upgraded to an rx 7600, and nearly everything works out of the box or with minor tweaks. And it performs similarly to windows, even better on occasion.
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Upgrade tool says my hardware isn't supported, seems like I can enable TPM on my motherboard but it doesn't work right for some reason I think I managed to install Windows 10 without secure boot or something, not sure if those two are even related. I was thinking maybe I'd have to reinstall windows 10 with those modules enabled in order to upgrade to windows 11... Has anyone else encountered something similar?
Yeah, said I had to buy a tpm module for my mobo to upgrade to win11. My steam deck works so well running arch based Linux I searched "gaming arch Linux" in DuckDuckGo and installed CachyOS. Easier and cleaner than installing windows 10 when I built my PC and the constant updates are awesome (they also offer long term support LTS builds). Highly recommend, I have an Nvidia 2070 Super and CachyOS has been a great upgrade from Windows 10.
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I'm in Windows 11. I have regret it, but after so many tweaks of the system, removing telemetries, changing menus, and other Windows shit, i had not the energy to move back to Windows 10.
Only OS change i am willing to make is to move to Linux, but gaming is not there yet, and am now trying to move from big proprietary companies to FOSS, so time is needed.
Gaming on Linux has never been better. Out of the top 100 (mostly Windows platform) games, only 7 are entirely unplayable according to https://www.protondb.com/
80/100 are Gold or Platinum rated which means very playable. I often get better performance in Linux than Windows, even with the default open source drivers. I am using an AMD GPU which gives an advantage as they have better open source support, but for NVIDIA all the Linux distros I've used have had a documented path to install their binary drivers for better performance.
It's true that it sometimes takes a bit more tinkering, especially if you're using some esoteric controller or other funky hardware, but in the days of LLMs that can coach you through issues it's more accessible than it's ever been.
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My laptop still works perfectly well so if Microsoft don't want to support it any more then I'll bung Linux on it. I've already got my Mint stick ready, just need to get round to it.
Nice! I was lucky to have extra drives when I switched to Linux on my PC, haven't done it on a laptop yet. Do you just back up all your data to an external SSD/HD beforehand or go the partition route?
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Mint
I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
So, oddly enough, I'm not a complete novice. My background is mostly just lubuntu, puppy, mint and a bit of debian. I've shifted away from Ubuntu after the pro service ads in terminal, and the absolute fucking nightmare that is snap.
I've done my time in "oh shit I fucked up Linux again" purgatory, and it's my daily driver for work. Terminal is a place I'm generally ok with; I know enough to find my way around and fix things as needed.
My issue is I've never really run dedicated graphics from a Linux distro, and because of the continual updates and proprietary elements I worry about keeping up. I don't mind breaking things, it comes with the territory.
That said, bazzite sounds interesting - especially the optimisation. The guides on the main page also alerted me to something I'd not considered - going to have to redo my filesystem on every drive. Thanks for the idea of an alt distro, will dig into this a bit more - if it's built in fedora I might have a bit of a learning curve (never used it as a distro).
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It's not like that shits gonna make your computer explode the day they end support lol
No that feature is only planned for TPM v3
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Gonna be a useless recommend, but try Fedora or Bazzite (Fedora Silverblue gaming with tweaks to make it easier).
I've had some friends with similar complaints about Mint having one off issues with hardware, which is usually because its downstream Ubuntu which means kernel support can be all over the place.
Fedora is probably best bang for buck in latest stable release without entering the realm of unstable rolling like Arch. Really the only thing I've found that it lacks is more varied support for ARM boards out of box and a cross compile package for ARM from x86.
By default it does have a slightly annoying repo setup because software that isn't FOSS ends up on RPMFusion which you have to enable as a user, which is why I suggest Bazzite, which also uses the immutable Linux design which makes it much easier to prevent from breaking or fixing by rolling back a change.
Fedora is fully supported on my Framework laptop (as is Ubuntu and Mint), and I did have it working off an external SSD to try.
But.... Sigh....
It's American, so I won't use it. American is one big reason why I want to quit Windows. Maybe I'll just keep trying.
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I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
I appreciate the reply.
Fedora and Ubuntu are officially fully supported by laptop, so it's Mint and a few others to a lesser extent.
I won't use Fedora due to it being American, but the Fedora experience was quite nice the last time I tried.
I may explore other options through the Framework (laptop) community to see what else I can try.
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I appreciate the reply.
Fedora and Ubuntu are officially fully supported by laptop, so it's Mint and a few others to a lesser extent.
I won't use Fedora due to it being American, but the Fedora experience was quite nice the last time I tried.
I may explore other options through the Framework (laptop) community to see what else I can try.
Bazzite works around the issues with american patents, if that's the problem.
If your problem is american control over your computer, I assure you, they have extremely limited control, at best, they own the package manager, which only runs if you tell it to.
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So, oddly enough, I'm not a complete novice. My background is mostly just lubuntu, puppy, mint and a bit of debian. I've shifted away from Ubuntu after the pro service ads in terminal, and the absolute fucking nightmare that is snap.
I've done my time in "oh shit I fucked up Linux again" purgatory, and it's my daily driver for work. Terminal is a place I'm generally ok with; I know enough to find my way around and fix things as needed.
My issue is I've never really run dedicated graphics from a Linux distro, and because of the continual updates and proprietary elements I worry about keeping up. I don't mind breaking things, it comes with the territory.
That said, bazzite sounds interesting - especially the optimisation. The guides on the main page also alerted me to something I'd not considered - going to have to redo my filesystem on every drive. Thanks for the idea of an alt distro, will dig into this a bit more - if it's built in fedora I might have a bit of a learning curve (never used it as a distro).
Again, infinite free troubleshooting if you run into any issues, feel free to message me! I've given a bunch of people bazzite at this point, and can run you through just about anything.
Make sure not to accidentally choose "steam gaming mode", on the download since that'll turn it into basically a steam-deck interface.
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Yeah with Linux if it doesn't work you're often just screwed.
I can recommend a rolling release distro, having the latest and greatest can sometimes give you bugfixes that are critical for your setup. It can also break stuff but nothing a rollback won't fix.
Another reason to prefer rolling release is the upgrade path. For Ubuntu upgrading is just awful when you do any tinkering. I ran Kubuntu 20.04 for a while and because I had some custom package sources installed it wouldn't let me upgrade to 24.04. Nobody could help, and the package manager is awful it doesn't let you trace which packages are blocking the upgrade.
I'm kind of miffed that everyone is recommending mint as a starter distro because as soon as they start looking for guides on how to tinker there is a high chance they are going to make their system un-upgradable.
Yeah with Linux if it doesn't work you're often just screwed.
This has been my experience for decades. Even if it works, something will suddenly stop working and I'll have no way to fix it without hours of research and messing around.
With windows, I can fix anything quickly through the GUI. But haven't had to in a very, very long time.
I'm going to look at other options. I want to stick with a distro that is fully supported by my laptop to avoid even more issues. But the options are limited.
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My plan is to use my Linux box as my main PC with Steam installed so that I can remote play from my Windows gaming PC since not all titles natively work on Linux for me. That way, the only activity being performed on my Windows machine is gaming and everything else will live in Linux Mint
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Since you wanna Game using network anyway did you ever thought of Cloud Gaming (aka Geforce Now) ? That way you don't have a "unsecure" device in your network. From a security standpoint even an device only used for gaming is a security risk
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Didn't they get rid of some 11 requirements? Won't most regular people just do the upgrade to 11?
They didn't get rid of it, they're allowing you to upgrade to 11 and calling it unsupported. Just like 10 is unsupported.
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Has your fiancé had to update drivers? Has he had to upgrade to a new release? Has he had to figure out how to install a version of something that isn't in the Debian stable repositories?
If the only application your fiancé uses is Firefox, then he might go a long time before having any kind of problem. It all depends on how he uses it.
It’s basically a Chromebook for her
