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United States: French researcher turned back for expressing “personal opinion on Trump administration’s policy

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    "The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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      "The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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      Clown country thought police.

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        Clown country thought police.

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        i didn't expect to see a monty-python/star-trek response to current events; but i'll allow it. lol

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          "The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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          1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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            "The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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            "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

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              "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

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              He committed treason last term, but got away with it thanks to servile Republicans.

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                "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

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                You must have an outdated version. The current version is “We announce that there must be no criticism of the President, and that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong. Anything else is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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                  1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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                  Visitors to the US have been asked if they were members of the communist party since forever though?

                  IDK if those who replied "yes" would be sent back, but I do remember reading about Chinese communist party members being denied entry to the US...

                  I don't see much difference between this and that as far as the 1st amendment is concerned?

                  Aren't you idealizing the 1st amendment (and/or how seriously the US takes it)?

                  PS: let me make clear that I'm not trying to defend the indefensible behaviour of the Trump administration in any way

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                    "The space researcher was allegedly randomly checked on arrival, during which his professional computer and personal telephone were allegedly searched. Similarly, messages about the Trump administration’s treatment of scientists have been found."

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                    Time to stay away from the USA.

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                      1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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                      That doesn’t de jure apply to non-citizens at the border, never mind de facto.

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                        Time to stay away from the USA.

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                        This above all

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                          1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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                          There’s no first or fourth amendment rights within 100 miles of the border of the USA. Probably other missing rights.

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                            Time to stay away from the USA.

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                            Calgon, take me away...

                            please!

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                              There’s no first or fourth amendment rights within 100 miles of the border of the USA. Probably other missing rights.

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                              That's not true, because the Constitution applies to the whole place. Americans and non-citizens freely exercise those rights in those areas daily.

                              If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

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                                That's not true, because the Constitution applies to the whole place. Americans and non-citizens freely exercise those rights in those areas daily.

                                If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

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                                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception

                                Federal law allows certain federal agents to conduct search and seizures within 100 miles (160 km) of the border into the interior of the United States.[5] The Supreme Court has clearly and repeatedly confirmed that the border search exception applies within 100 miles (160 km) of the border of the United States

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                                  That's not true, because the Constitution applies to the whole place. Americans and non-citizens freely exercise those rights in those areas daily.

                                  If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

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                                  If any agent of the government tells you otherwise, you must educate them and enforce the free exercise of your own rights.

                                  How exactly does one enforce the free exercise of their rights?

                                  Remember that agents of the government are often armed and generally don't like being told what to do.

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                                    Time to stay away from the USA.

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                                    Has been for a few decades, but now more than ever.

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                                      1st Amendment protections on freedom of speech apply to everyone in the USA, regardless of citizenship. Frenchman should sue.

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                                      The important judges are trumps pals.

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                                        That doesn’t de jure apply to non-citizens at the border, never mind de facto.

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                                        Rights don't apply to non-citizens? You sure?

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                                          Rights don't apply to non-citizens? You sure?

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                                          Relevant section on Wikipedia:

                                          The government may not criminally punish immigrants based on speech that would be protected if said by a citizen.[83] On entry across borders, the government may bar non-citizens from the United States based on their speech, even if that speech would have been protected if said by a citizen.[84] Speech rules as to deportation, on the other hand, are unclear.[85] Lower courts are divided on the question, while the leading cases on the subject are from the Red Scare.

                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

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