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The user growth has been bigger than usual in the last months, they have live stats. Not to say they were breaking even at around 25k users, they now have 38k.

Also their product shouldn't be interesting, should be invisible. It's a search engine, not a toy.

If you really want to see malice, I would say it's more of a marketing move because very very few users will not make any search at all in a month. And those users have indeed no cost for them. Giving them credit still means you are getting the money eventually.

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Sorry, I use a search engine about 300 times a month at minimum. I'm not what you'd consider a power user right now. I agree it shouldn't be interesting, but it should but used at least. How many figures are you earning?

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Downvoted so I can have a six-to-eight figure salary at Kagi!

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This must've been a lot more complicated to implement than to allow us to NOT SEND OUR SUBSCRIPTION MONEY TO RUSSIA.

sigh

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Makes me wonder how many people are subscribed to Kagi without using it. Then why would you have a subscription in the first place?

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This is a really big question! Let's wait patiently for them to answer it.

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It was okay while I was using it. Just a bit pricey. But I stopped using it when they started the whole "EUs GDPR doesn't apply to us" non-sense. Simply not a company I can trust to handle personal data properly.

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You said "if your product is not interesting enough for users to use".

The product has to be useful, and the user growth for a obviously premium service I think is a good testimony of that.

Have you considered that they might be a healthy business that doesn't bleed money (like most tech companies) and therefore doesn't need to rely on trapping users in subscriptions hoping they won't use the product?

Also what's with the passive aggressive tone? We are talking about a search engine, chill.

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FWIW - most mobile data plans roll over if you don't use them fully during the month.

(at least where I live)

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Are you referring to using Yandex?

I think they did explain that implementing turn off and on of specific engines per user is a complete rewrite of their querying system, so it is an expensive and complex change.

Removing yandex is OTOH not a great move as results in Russian language often come from there. Also morally I would generally agree, but then - especially now - you could argue about "giving money to US companies", and that means they need to shut down, they can't use bing, google, yandex.

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I'm fine. I feel like I'm arguing with a secret Kagi operative here.

I haven't considered that they might be a healthy business but you seem to know a lot more than I do about it....

Please, keep sharing what you don't know about Kagi

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Kagi is rolling this out to people who never use their service. So that would be equivalent to you paying your mobile provider and never making a phone call or text for an entire month.

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I must have missed that, can you explain what you mean by that?

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After nearly a year of Kagi. It's actually painful when I'm on a device with just Google.

Would recommend if you are a knowledge worker or researcher, or just in a technical field.

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They specifically avoid sanctions by routing payments through Kazakhstan, and tried to claim Yandex wasn't even a russian company when called out.

And no, the US is not the same. You might not have hosted Ukrainian refugees or be in full understanding of what's happening there but any money going into Russia is right now used for torture, rape and killing of Ukrainians.

I had a Kagi family subscription and immediately cancelled when I learnt about Vlad's "it's just some geopolitical opinions" stance. I also know others have done the same.

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I need per search pricing. Their plan includes way too many searches and is way too expensive. I use it like 2-3 times a month.

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I also liked the part where they decided they don't need to pay the VAT.

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And yet I had to pay $12.10 for my $10 Kagi subscription...

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My wife is Ukrainian. I will leave it at that.

I have also a colleague from Afghanistan, for example, guess what their opinion is (and the list could be long, I just happen to have a colleague from there).

I remember Yandex being brought up during the Brave debacle, and I don't remember them claiming anything of the sort. I think they simply stated the position that choosing search providers based on moral claims would simply lead to them being able to use only the niche search providers.

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This old blog post summarises a lot of pain points:
https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

Similar to Brave (and more recently Proton) I simply can't trust them, despite liking the idea of their respective services.

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