What are your thoughts on Louis Rossmann?
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I know this is a Louis Rossman thread but calling Daniel Micay "a bit socially awkward" is minimizing the issue to an extreme. Louis Rossman made his comments after he watched Techlore's in-depth video documenting Daniel's behavior, but keep in mind that even that hour-long video is just scratching the surface. To this day, Daniel continues to act the same way if not worse, and has a giant list of "enemies" that he says are attacking, harassing, bullying, and gangstalking the "grapheneOS project" (aka him). This might be partially caused by him bashing other open source projects and making new enemies any chance he gets. I'm not sure when the "all open source projects get together to personally target Daniel Micay" meetings occur, but maybe the only common thread is Daniel himself. There are tons and tons of receipts out there on the web if you search for "Daniel Micay list of enemies", especially on a site that I don't feel comfortable promoting but which does a very good job of keeping track of this stuff - especially because Daniel always deletes everything incriminating afterwards. If you're going to catch him in the act you need to take screenshots and make archive.org snapshots.
Daniel's behavior is a very important issue to be aware of if you're considering using grapheneOS, and personally it crosses the line of what I feel comfortable with in regards to running his operating system on the most personal device I have. Louis Rossman was even more justified in his decision to do the same, since Daniel is (to this day) specifically targeting him.
I don't view it as badly. He's probably overly defensive and paranoid and interprets some forms of criticism as attacks. But I do not see this as an argument against his competence or contributions to the project, or against using GrapheneOS altogether, at all. In fact, I even kind of like having someone paranoid as the head of a security-focused OS. Seems like a useful synergy to me.
Also, AFAIK the GrapheneOS project now also has others posting about the project, not just him alone. I think this was also a result of his "miscommunication" in the past.
Furthermore, the project is too important (there are almost zero high-security and high-privacy mobile OSes!) to escalate this into a problem. And furthermore again, there might also be parties involved who are ACTUALLY interested in attacking GrapheneOS and weakening its popularity, for their own gains. And so when your successful and also high-quality project is under regular attacks from various angles, you might get more paranoid and misinterpret some valid criticism as a result. Combine that with Rossman's over-dramatic nature and high reach, and someone paranoid like Daniel might take it the wrong way. And then communication spirals out of control into various escalations. At least that's how I interpret it. -
I don't view it as badly. He's probably overly defensive and paranoid and interprets some forms of criticism as attacks. But I do not see this as an argument against his competence or contributions to the project, or against using GrapheneOS altogether, at all. In fact, I even kind of like having someone paranoid as the head of a security-focused OS. Seems like a useful synergy to me.
Also, AFAIK the GrapheneOS project now also has others posting about the project, not just him alone. I think this was also a result of his "miscommunication" in the past.
Furthermore, the project is too important (there are almost zero high-security and high-privacy mobile OSes!) to escalate this into a problem. And furthermore again, there might also be parties involved who are ACTUALLY interested in attacking GrapheneOS and weakening its popularity, for their own gains. And so when your successful and also high-quality project is under regular attacks from various angles, you might get more paranoid and misinterpret some valid criticism as a result. Combine that with Rossman's over-dramatic nature and high reach, and someone paranoid like Daniel might take it the wrong way. And then communication spirals out of control into various escalations. At least that's how I interpret it.He’s probably overly defensive and paranoid and interprets some forms of criticism as attacks.
I think this was also a result of his “miscommunication” in the past
there might also be parties involved who are ACTUALLY interested in attacking GrapheneOS and weakening its popularity, for their own gains.
when your successful and also high-quality project is under regular attacks from various angles
Rossman’s over-dramatic nature and high reach
then communication spirals out of control into various escalations
You should actually look at any of the copious amounts of evidence that involve this conversation instead of just imagining what it might look like. There's really not much else to talk about until you do. Daniel has given us zero evidence to support his side, while in contrast there's a mountain of evidence against him.
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I just watched the video and in all sincerity I could not see anything wrong with it. Genuinely asking what was bad about it? He just did an 8 min follow up too which seems objectively right.
Linus asked to handle it privately to keep drama out of the tech space. Louis somehow decided it was a good idea to start massive drama instead of trying to resolve it quietly.
Steve using Louis to fire shots while pretending to be on the high ground and not responding publicly was also rather pathetic.
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I'm just wondering, because I have seen some negative comments on here about him, but they don't usually provide specifics.
He’s fine. His videos come off as a bit whiny. The stance of pirating content as being justified instead of just abstaining from an unsatisfactory service seems entitled to me but I get it. I think he’s mostly right in his analysis of things, I don’t make it through every video that he posts though
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I tend to like him and the things he has to say. I like that he helps consumers be more conscious of the things they buy, and cautions against companies with bad practices (such as those that are closed sourced, or lock basic features behind paywalls, etc).
He strikes me as a little socially awkward himself, and maybe that manifests as his rage at some of these companies and situations; he could stand to take a breath every now and then. I really enjoyed his breakdown of the Honey scam and LTT.
He’s autistic, that’s why he’s socially awkward. It was mentioned in one of his videos a few years ago.
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Were they removed by him, or were they automatically removed? I've seen some extremely egregious auto moderating on YouTube lately.
The ones that are speaking out against him have all been removed, and I doubt YouTube would do that automatically. Found a very in depth comment on my TV but couldn't on 3 other devices.
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He’s autistic, that’s why he’s socially awkward. It was mentioned in one of his videos a few years ago.
Clearly I missed that video. Thanks for letting me know! That makes his views and attitudes make a little more sense.
(I also didn't mean socially awkward as an insult or anything, I certainly have no room to talk)
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I'm just wondering, because I have seen some negative comments on here about him, but they don't usually provide specifics.
His board repair videos were outstanding. I don't especially enjoy his rants. He's usually right, but I don't really care to listen to how mad he is about it. I can get mad on my own.
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Clearly I missed that video. Thanks for letting me know! That makes his views and attitudes make a little more sense.
(I also didn't mean socially awkward as an insult or anything, I certainly have no room to talk)
I’m socially awkward, but that’s probably just paranoia and PTSD from my time in the military.
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He seems like a great consumer advocate and repair activist to me.
this tbh, I can understand how some might think Louis Rossmann is annoying, but for the most part what I notice is that he is a vocal advocate and we are lucky to have him, I'm a fan even if he's annoying.
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I'm just wondering, because I have seen some negative comments on here about him, but they don't usually provide specifics.
good, but man his videos on the SteamDeck are really over negative for no reason. For someone who really supports Linux he doesn't seem to much appreciate the thing getting Linux to mainstream popularity
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I'm just wondering, because I have seen some negative comments on here about him, but they don't usually provide specifics.
I think I agree with most comments here.
He's usually right and I agree with him, I just find him a little hard to watch. His videos are a bit long winded.
I 100% support him. I think his heart and mind are in the right place.
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He does go a little over the top sometimes so his videos could be considered to be a bit overdramatic with a little sprinkle of rage bait.
However, I have rarely have disagreed with his views on consumer protection. Actually.... I have never disagreed with his views on consumer protection.
Him getting viewers pissed off is not what I would consider healthy, but the rage might get some people to stop showing their bellies to large companies. Regardless, his videos do walk a fine line for me personally. He should be getting income from his videos, which is fine. If he ever cracks and starts getting people pissed off expressly for the purpose of income, I'll drop his videos really quick.
I don't think there is such a thing as over-the-top with this issue. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. And we're already miles past that point.
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I'm just wondering, because I have seen some negative comments on here about him, but they don't usually provide specifics.
wow not a single mention of how he has a Kiwi Farms account in the comments here, surprising
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The ones that are speaking out against him have all been removed, and I doubt YouTube would do that automatically. Found a very in depth comment on my TV but couldn't on 3 other devices.
Ah yeah that's pretty solid evidence. My own experience has been with my own comments getting removed, and it happening far too quickly to be manual moderation. If you actually saw someone else's comment, and then noticed it gone, it's hard to call that anything other than a deliberate silencing of their viewpoint.
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good, but man his videos on the SteamDeck are really over negative for no reason. For someone who really supports Linux he doesn't seem to much appreciate the thing getting Linux to mainstream popularity
We are allowed to guide the growth of things and show where they need work.
Didn't you people have report cards?
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wow not a single mention of how he has a Kiwi Farms account in the comments here, surprising
Soo, what? Does he actively participate in harassment?
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Great consumer rights activist and I have agreed with 90% of the takes I've heard from him, but his videos are mind numbingly long and boring.
I was just saying the other day it feels like he gets through all that needs to be said in the first half of the video and then spends the rest ranting/reiterating himself. But I think he has good talking points
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I'm just wondering, because I have seen some negative comments on here about him, but they don't usually provide specifics.
He fights the good fight but I don't like his videos very much because he's very whiny and annoying.
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He fights the good fight but I don't like his videos very much because he's very whiny and annoying.
Lol, him screaming quietly pisses me off.
