Bazzite founder might shutdown whole project if Fedora drops support for 32 bit packages
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Glad I didnt install bazzite.
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Did he elaborate on why? Is it really that integral to have 32bit tools?
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Did he elaborate on why? Is it really that integral to have 32bit tools?
Afaik Steam still heavily relies on 32-Bit. And bazzite's only purpose is Steam.
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As reiterated by the OP, the proposal is just a proposal and was proposed with heaps of lead time probably because they expected it to be controversial.
As also mentioned, heaps of volunteer time is spent maintaining the packages where most are barely used (even for gaming).
However, it does not seem like there is a viable alternative. Many comments say the suggested alternative, WINE's WoW64, does not work for all games.
I can see both sides here. Fedora maintainers says "this is so much work!" and (mostly) gamers saying "But older games will stop working!".
The response from the Bazzite guy does seem overblown to me. I would think the first step is to work out the impact, as I haven't seen anyone quantify what proportion of games are affected and if there are alternatives like emulation.
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Afaik Steam still heavily relies on 32-Bit. And bazzite's only purpose is Steam.
Ah yeah. Would be unfortunate. Bazzite was the least amount of setup i've ever had to do with linux and is the only repo I could recommend to someone non-technical
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Afaik Steam still heavily relies on 32-Bit. And bazzite's only purpose is Steam.
The comments in the thread don't mention Steam itself, but it's that running all the 32 bit games will become a problem. Steam's flatpak packages the 32 bit packages so that can get around this change, but the flatpak is not official and does not support all features. Steam themselves only provide the RPM for Fedora.
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The comments in the thread don't mention Steam itself, but it's that running all the 32 bit games will become a problem. Steam's flatpak packages the 32 bit packages so that can get around this change, but the flatpak is not official and does not support all features. Steam themselves only provide the RPM for Fedora.
steam package from rpmfusion is not official
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Shit, now i gotta do the distribution shuffle again.
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PikaOS is Debian based, and they've built the deps they need for Steam in 32-bit, so it's not the end of the world AFAIK. GloriousEggroll seems to be part of it too, so if any refugees are looking for something not Fedora-based there you go. Although his efforts for now seem focused more on Nobara (which is Fedora-based) maybe this will cause some shake-ups there too. I can see Pika is already picking up speed from this though, the Discord is super active.
Even if Fedora doesn't ever drop support I think even considering the possibility is shaking people's confidence in using it as a base going forward, sort of like how Unity's quickly-walked-back disasters drove people irrevocably towards Godot and other engines. Arch and Arch-based distros are probably starting to look much more appealing too.
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wrote last edited by [email protected]
I would be shocked if Fedora went through with it. If anyone remembers canonical tried to do this with you one to some years ago. They backed down then after push back as well.
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Ah yeah. Would be unfortunate. Bazzite was the least amount of setup i've ever had to do with linux and is the only repo I could recommend to someone non-technical
There are others like it and some better for those who are both non-technical and non-gamers. What you’re looking for is “immutable distro” https://itsfoss.com/immutable-linux-distros/
which is a distro of Linux that is very user friendly, much like Windows, in not allowing major changes to the OS. SteamOS is this as well.It makes setup and updates much easier to manage and easier for users to use because it just works most of the time.
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steam package from rpmfusion is not official
Ah you're right. It seems Steam only provides a *.deb as far as I can tell.
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Shit, now i gotta do the distribution shuffle again.
where we goin
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Shit, now i gotta do the distribution shuffle again.
It's way too early to make that call. This is a proposal for collecting feedback. I am not sure if this has been proposed before, but I would guess you would make these proposals from time to time to gauge the feedback, and when you see support for keeping it fall to a low level you can finally make the jump. As one of the comments in the thread mentions, now might not be the right time but you can't keep supporting it forever. Eventually you push 32 bit apps into emulators like what happened with 16 bit.
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Afaik Steam still heavily relies on 32-Bit. And bazzite's only purpose is Steam.
If bazzites only purpose is steam then it would’ve probably "died" anyway when Holo Desktop releases
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Shit, now i gotta do the distribution shuffle again.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Too early, as the other comment said... However, if this happens, I'd hope that the SteamOS desktop image will be officially available which seems pretty similar to Bazzite, but based on Arch instead of Fedora.
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Why would they not just use an Arch base like the real SteamOS does?
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Why would they not just use an Arch base like the real SteamOS does?
Fedora and Red Hat are innovating image-based operating systems. Universal Blue builds on that work.
It would take effort to port that work to Arch. Arch is also a rolling distro, not updating means not getting security updates. Fedora's release cycle allows them to get more stability, they don't have to be using the latest version.
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Glad I didnt install bazzite.
what did you go with?
