Netanyahu Gifts Trump Golden Pager to Commemorate Attack That Killed Children: 'That Was a Great Operation'

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Do you think maybe there are multiple reasons why Trump is president and one of them could possibly be because far more people sat out the election than could have swung it against him?

Also, you shouldn't vote with the party. You should vote against the fascist. I have no idea why that is confusing to you unless you vote for fascists.

[t00l_shed@lemmy.world]

Voting for the only viable candidate that wasn't an overt fascist is empowering fascists. The democrats aren't solely to blame those who allowed a fascist dictator to come into power share the blame

[rekorse@sh.itjust.works]

Not voting for candidate = voting for them.

Solid logic.

Telling people how they have to vote.

Also, solid logic.

[t00l_shed@lemmy.world]

Thank you, yes when it comes to a fascist dictator vs a non fascist, non dictator, not voting for the non fascist non dictator is the only viable option, unless you're OK with a fascist dictator.

Pretty fucking clear.

[bytemeister@lemmy.world]

For the benefit of other countries dealing with their own rightwing dickhead movements, what we did wrong was slow-roll prosecuting them for blatant crimes.

Biden should have announced prosecutions into far right agitators during his inauguration speech. It shouldn't have just been the useful rubes from 1/6 that faced consequences. The people and organizations that backed that coup, who fanned the flames and incited violence should have been in cuffs in less than a month, including Trump. From jail, he can't tweet, he can't truth social. He can still write to newspapers, and have interviews, and have his lawyer make statements, but all those options have an extra layer of accountability, which would have put a lid on his rampant race-baiting and fear mongering.

I know some of you are going to be worried about appearing partisan. The truth is, bipartisanship is a weapon of the far right. When they are in power, they ride roughshod over everything and everyone, with absolute glee when they can foist terrible policies on the other side. When they call for bipartisan compromise, they are saying "hey! You need to accommodate the views of our bigots and 1% base! Won't you think of them!?" and we should have told them to fuck off.

People need to vote, and they need to vote effectively. If you've got ranked choice, great, vote for the candidates that represent your views the best. If you have a first past the post system, then you need to vote for the least worst candidate that can actually win, even if they don't align with your morals or ethics. I know it sucks to do it, but you have to consider risk versus reward when making your decision. Taking a big risk on our rights and lives to make a small statement about historical support to a historical ally in a conflict practically as old as history itself, is a really fucking stupid thing to do. There was practically nothing to gain and everything to lose.

[explodicle@sh.itjust.works]

Even if the genocide ended tomorrow, I'm just never buying Israeli electronics again. I've been boycotting Sony all this time for a mere rootkit.

If you haven't already, you should boycott people who booby-trap their products.

[thesven@lemm.ee]

"Not voting for the only viable candidate". So between two shit candidates, we should vote for the one who smells the least like shit. Nope. That's not how democracy works. Everyone should vote for the candidate that bests represents them. I didn't say that democrats are solely to blame. I said partly.

[rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Trump does something abhorrent.

Writes paragraph explaining why it's the Democrats fault.

The conservative propoganda machine has really done a number on some of y'all.

Like you couldn't even stop to acknowledge what happened you were so eager to make Trump's actions all about the Dems.

[t00l_shed@lemmy.world]

When it's fptp yes that's the litteral outcome. Everyone SHOULD vote for the best candidate that represents them, in FPTP that's not how it works. When only one of 2 parties could get elected in the US and one of them is a fascist dictator, and the other isn't that is how it must work. When fptp is removed, and you could get a real democracy then yes. Until then the only moral option is to mitigate harm

[rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

If it was only America that was fucked it wouldn't be such a big deal, America deserves it.

Unfortunately the election consequences also mean America is locking in accelerating climate change, which is going to hurt the poorest countries the most.

America and the other richest countries have the best means to mitigate the damage. American homes come with heating and AC standard.

In the most marginalized communities in the world climate change is going to turn into climate genocide.

[rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

You're living with the delusion of clean hands and a clean conscious and you only had to sacrifice countless numbers of people to do it.

[thesven@lemm.ee]

And that literally doesn't solve anything. It just postpones the inevitable. Democracy lost the moment DNC plotted against Bernie Sanders back in 2016. What would you think would happen if we had another 4 years of Democrats? Fascism would just come 4 years later.

[thesven@lemm.ee]

If I had voted for Kamala I would't even have that delusion.

[t00l_shed@lemmy.world]

It would give 4 years to work towards electing more progressive people at a municipal and state level. It literally give a chance to solve something instead of being accelerationist.

[thesven@lemm.ee]

Yep, we saw how much the Biden presidency helped.

[theonetheycall1845@lemmy.world]

He wasn't voted in. Elon manipulated the voting system for trumps gain. Trump even said it himself "Elon knows voting machines". They have taken over our country and are dismantling it piece by piece. The question is, how do we stop these fucks?

[t00l_shed@lemmy.world]

It genuinely did, for many Americans, trans rights, federal funding for science. Should it have been better? Yes. Because it wasn't perfect does that mean fascism should be allowed in? No.

[conartistpanda@lemmy.world]

You were complicit in getting Trump elected the moment you didnt vote for his opponent.

[tinned_tomatoes@feddit.uk]

So you acknowledge your part in getting Trump elected, good to know.

In a few years maybe you'll drop this delusion that you didn't elect Trump by not voting for Harris.

[tinned_tomatoes@feddit.uk]

Unfortunately most people here are in their early twenties and have yet to learn about the flaws of FPTP. Sadly this was probably their most important election and they fucked it up.