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What features are missing from piefed, or, why aren't we reccommending piefed instead of lemmy?

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  • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

    Phanpy is phenomenal and fixes a lot of the problems Mastodon and all microblogging platforms have.

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    Mona is also a good app.

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      Probably app support. If Lemmy didn’t have wefwef/voyager during the API debacle of 2023, I probably would not have stuck around. The default UI is terrible for mobile.

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      The default UI is terrible for mobile.

      I'm definitely in the minority, but I prefer the Web UI on mobile to apps

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      • nutomic@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

        These performance results are only from the browser side, but dont cover server performance. The database for lemmy.ml is 60 GB, and that is with 6 years of history. Not sure where your 10x claim comes from. The lemmy.ml server costs 70 Euros per month and doesnt have much load.

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        The lemmy.ml server costs 70 Euros per month and doesnt have much loa, with almost 10 times as many active users.

        I know the 0.03€ per user per month has been known for a while, but it still impresses me.

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        • jgrim@discuss.onlineJ [email protected]

          I run a Pixelfed instance. The code is faaaaaaaarrrrr from polished. Its buggy and the admin interface either doesn't work or is poorly implemented. I'd rather run and moderate Lemmy than Pixelfed. I have considered just shutting it down several times. I run the instance https://social.photo/.

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          https://discuss.online/post/17932425

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          • nutomic@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

            We are working on new moderation features all the time, for example 1.0 will correctly federate instance bans which is quite complicated to get right. There will also be a plugin system which allows for much more flexible mod tools. Its just that our time is very limited for all the work that needs to be done on a project with over 50k active users.

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            #124

            This comment was not supposed to be a huge critique of Lemmy, more like a comparison.

            Everybody is aware that you do what you can with the resources you have.

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            • nutomic@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

              Keyword filtering is about to be merged into Lemmy. Other features will also be added over time.

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              Will there be a release with that feature before Lemmy 1.0, or will it be delivered with Lemmy 1.0?

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              • coelacanth@feddit.nuC [email protected]

                Even so, .world will eventually enable parallel sending, and even in the meantime aussie.zone only boasts 375 MAUs. I don't know that such a miniscule minority is worth bending over backwards for and creating further fragmentation.

                Don't get me wrong, I'm all for choosing instances other than .world when setting up new comms. They're too big. But while we're still at a point where content amount is the primary concern and we're trying to achieve critical mass I also don't know if endless fragmentation is well advised.

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                #126

                .world will eventually enable parallel sending

                But when? I don't want to openly ask LW admins because the 0.19.9 migration took them a while, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen any time soon. I've seen someone mentioning that they might be delaying it due to resources issues, but their resource usage is not going to go down any time soon.

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                It is not only aussie.zone. Reddthat is also hosted in Australia, and then had to add a proxy in Europe to prevent a similar delay: https://reddthat.com/post/37387576/17377718. Lemmy.nz is in a similar case.

                Lemmy.blahaj.zone is also Australian IIRC, but not sure where the server is hosted. Reddthat is only 429 MAU, but Blahaj is 1171

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                • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                  Thats literally what I said.

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                  #127

                  Alright, then I misread your comment

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                  • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                    .world will eventually enable parallel sending

                    But when? I don't want to openly ask LW admins because the 0.19.9 migration took them a while, but it doesn't seem like it's going to happen any time soon. I've seen someone mentioning that they might be delaying it due to resources issues, but their resource usage is not going to go down any time soon.

                    aussie.zone

                    It is not only aussie.zone. Reddthat is also hosted in Australia, and then had to add a proxy in Europe to prevent a similar delay: https://reddthat.com/post/37387576/17377718. Lemmy.nz is in a similar case.

                    Lemmy.blahaj.zone is also Australian IIRC, but not sure where the server is hosted. Reddthat is only 429 MAU, but Blahaj is 1171

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                    LW are hesitant to do major changes because if something goes wrong it disrupts the entire Lemmy ecosystem. It's a direct negative consequence of them growing too big, but once they're in this position I can understand their reservations. I too wish they'd implement upgrades faster but I have no reason to believe they will just refuse to implement an upgrade forever, that's unreasonable to assume.

                    Lemmy.nz is what, about 100 MAU? And I know a Blåhaj admin is Australian but Fedi Observer has the server listed as based in Finland and hosted in Germany. Don't know if that's wrong though. Are their users also reporting delays?

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                    • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                      The default UI is terrible for mobile.

                      I'm definitely in the minority, but I prefer the Web UI on mobile to apps

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                      I also like the default UI, even if it's not the prettiest. But for mindless scrolling I prefer Voyager.

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                      • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                        This comment was not supposed to be a huge critique of Lemmy, more like a comparison.

                        Everybody is aware that you do what you can with the resources you have.

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                        #130

                        Fair enough, its just a bit strange that this particular critique comes up regularly.

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                        • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                          Will there be a release with that feature before Lemmy 1.0, or will it be delivered with Lemmy 1.0?

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                          It could be backported, but there are now significant changes between the 0.19 and development branches, so it would take some work.

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                          • nutomic@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

                            Fair enough, its just a bit strange that this particular critique comes up regularly.

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                            #132

                            I just gave it a try, this is what the moderation panel looks like on Piefed:

                            Maybe this makes it more clear

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                            • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

                              https://discuss.online/post/17932425

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                              #133

                              Lmao, spot on! Thanks!

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                              • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                I meant as a user.

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                                #134

                                Thanks, I'm a ding dong anyway.

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                                • ? Guest

                                  Piefed is another federated social aggregator https://piefed.social/ akin to Lemmy.

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                                  I know, I read it wrong. Because I'm a ding dong. 😞

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                                  • jeena@piefed.jeena.netJ [email protected]

                                    People are talking about Piefed not Pixelfed

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                                    I know, I read it wrong 😞

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                                    • jgrim@discuss.onlineJ [email protected]

                                      I run a Pixelfed instance. The code is faaaaaaaarrrrr from polished. Its buggy and the admin interface either doesn't work or is poorly implemented. I'd rather run and moderate Lemmy than Pixelfed. I have considered just shutting it down several times. I run the instance https://social.photo/.

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                                      It doesn't really surprise me that pixelfed is buggy ngl. It is still polished to the end user.

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                                      • misk@sopuli.xyzM [email protected]

                                        Apps make or break those platforms. Lemmy apps are way better than even anything Mastodon has. We got really lucky that Lemmy exploded in popularity due to Reddit API changes which meant many app developers gave Lemmy a shot. I probably wouldn’t use Lemmy so much if Voyager didn’t fill the hole Apollo left in my heart.

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                                        If it can get apps, ill probably be more on it.

                                        I love you lemmy.world but I would rather like to run my own piefed.

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                                        • rimu@piefed.socialR [email protected]

                                          We won't 100% know the answer to that until we get there. But in 2025 fear of a lack of CPU cores is NOT what keeps me awake at night.

                                          Early performance results are positive. Check these links out:

                                          https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/13/technical-performance-of-each-fediverse-platform/

                                          https://join.piefed.social/2024/02/09/comparing-network-utilization-of-lemmy-kbin-and-piefed/

                                          There are many many ways to ruin web app performance and choice of backend language is not really a big one. It's what you do with it that counts.

                                          https://piefed.social is running on a low end VPS which costs $7.50 per month. Load average is about 1.45 during the busiest part of the day. Most of the load is caused by federating with lemmy.world and that won't increase as more users come on board.

                                          PieFed is already really efficient with storage. After 16 months of operation, subscribed to every popular community, the piefed.social DB is 30 GB and the media storage is 28 GB. A Lemmy instance would be 10x that.

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                                          Thats super impressive. I need to take a look at hosting a personal instance just for the fun of it if its really what it costs.

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