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Cloudflare announces AI Labyrinth, which uses AI-generated content to confuse and waste the resources of AI Crawlers and bots that ignore “no crawl” directives.

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  • cilethesane@lemmy.caC [email protected]

    Because we have better methods that are easier, cheaper, and less damaging to the environment. They are solving nothing and wasting a fuckton of resources to do so.

    It's like telling cavemen they don't need fire because you can mount an expedition to the nearest valcanoe to cook food without the need for fuel then bring it back to them.

    The best case scenario is the LLM tells you information that is already available on the internet, but 50% of the time it just makes shit up.

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    Wasteful?

    Energy production is an issue. Using that energy isn't. LLMs are a better use of energy than most of the useless shit we produce everyday.

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      Not if we go butlerian jihad on them first

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      lol, I was gonna say a reverse butlerian jihad but i didnt think many people would get the reference 😛

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      • archrecord@lemm.eeA [email protected]

        We cant even handle humans going psycho. Last thing I want is an AI losing its shit due from being overworked producing goblin tentacle porn and going full skynet judgement day.

        That is simply not how "AI" models today are structured, and that is entirely a fabrication based on science fiction related media.

        The series of matrix multiplication problems that an LLM is, and runs the tokens from a query through does not have the capability to be overworked, to know if it's been used before (outside of its context window, which itself is just previous stored tokens added to the math problem), to change itself, or to arbitrarily access any system resources.

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        You must be fun at parties.

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        • M [email protected]

          This is getting ridiculous. Can someone please ban AI? Or at least regulate it somehow?

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          The problem is, how? I can set it up on my own computer using open source models and some of my own code. It’s really rough to regulate that.

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            don't worry, information is still shared. but with people. not with capitalist pigs

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            Capitalist pigs are paying media to generate AI hatred to help them convince you people to get behind laws that all limit info sharing under the guise of IP and copyright

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            • M [email protected]

              This is getting ridiculous. Can someone please ban AI? Or at least regulate it somehow?

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              Once a technology or even an idea is there, you can't really make it go away - ai is here to stay. The generative LLM are just a small part.

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              • F [email protected]

                This is the great filter.

                Why isn't there detectable life out there? They all do the same thing we're doing. Undone by greed.

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                I haven’t heard of someone refer to the great filter of intelligent life for a while. Good post.

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                • L [email protected]

                  The same way they justify cutting benefits for the disabled to balance budgets instead of putting taxes on the rich or just not giving them bailouts, they will justify cutting power to you before a data centre that's 10 corporate AIs all fighting each other, unless we as a people stand up and actually demand change.

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                  In Texas 80% of our water usage is corporate. But when the lakes are low during a drought they tell homeowners to reduce water the grass. Nobody tells the corporations to throw away less water.

                  AI will be allowed to use as much energy as it wants. It will even remind people to turn off the lights in a room not being occupied while wasting energy to monitor everyone’s power usage.

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                  • F [email protected]

                    Vote Blue No Matter Who

                    Any Democrat is Better than Any Republican

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                    This is why we need a centrists political party. Solutions shouldn’t be a false dichotomy.

                    And we shouldn’t downvote people into oblivion. Take my charitable upvote.

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                      This is why we need a centrists political party. Solutions shouldn’t be a false dichotomy.

                      And we shouldn’t downvote people into oblivion. Take my charitable upvote.

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                      That will require reform of campaign finance laws and progressive reform for elections, both of which are highly partisan issues.

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                        Burning 29 acres of rainforest a day to do nothing

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                        It certainly sounds like they generate the fake content once and serve it from cache every time: "Rather than creating this content on-demand (which could impact performance), we implemented a pre-generation pipeline that sanitizes the content to prevent any XSS vulnerabilities, and stores it in R2 for faster retrieval."

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                          Imagine how much power is wasted on this unfortunate necessity.

                          Now imagine how much power will be wasted circumventing it.

                          Fucking clown world we live in

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                          From the article it seems like they don't generate a new labyrinth for every single time: Rather than creating this content on-demand (which could impact performance), we implemented a pre-generation pipeline that sanitizes the content to prevent any XSS vulnerabilities, and stores it in R2 for faster retrieval."

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                          • M [email protected]

                            This is getting ridiculous. Can someone please ban AI? Or at least regulate it somehow?

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                            As for everything, it has good things, and bad things. We need to be careful and use it in a proper way, and the same thing applies to the ones creating this technology

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                              That will require reform of campaign finance laws and progressive reform for elections, both of which are highly partisan issues.

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                              I bet there are corporations that want regulatory stability over political football. If someone could figure out how to tap that with Super PACs they could capture funding. Probably easier to do in local elections where on party or another has failed to put up a candidate for a judge.

                              I see one party races in Texas for justice of the peace and for judges. The Dems have no viable candidates in some jurisdictions because no one wants a democrat or to be labeled as one. But maybe a centrist could brand themselves as the anti democratic alternative to republicans.

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                                I bet there are corporations that want regulatory stability over political football. If someone could figure out how to tap that with Super PACs they could capture funding. Probably easier to do in local elections where on party or another has failed to put up a candidate for a judge.

                                I see one party races in Texas for justice of the peace and for judges. The Dems have no viable candidates in some jurisdictions because no one wants a democrat or to be labeled as one. But maybe a centrist could brand themselves as the anti democratic alternative to republicans.

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                                Oh yeah, Local Elections are wildcards for sure. You're also correct that they favor conservatives as a whole.

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                                  They used AI to destroy AI

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                                    It certainly sounds like they generate the fake content once and serve it from cache every time: "Rather than creating this content on-demand (which could impact performance), we implemented a pre-generation pipeline that sanitizes the content to prevent any XSS vulnerabilities, and stores it in R2 for faster retrieval."

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                                    Yeah but you also add in the energy consumption of the data scrappers

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                                      To be fair, California is kind of dysfunctional and constantly trips over its own regulations when trying to get anything built. For instance, needing excessive environmental impact review for things like trains that will obviously help the environment, or limiting ferry boats crossing the bay to protect the environment even though it likely results in more people driving instead.

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                                      You need a strong and agile state. This dysfunction often stems from complexities introduced by corporate interests during the legislative process.

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                                        Wasteful?

                                        Energy production is an issue. Using that energy isn't. LLMs are a better use of energy than most of the useless shit we produce everyday.

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                                        Did the LLMs tell you that? It's not hard to look up on your own:

                                        Data centers, in particular, are responsible for an estimated 2% of electricity use in the U.S., consuming up to 50 times more energy than an average commercial building, and that number is only trending up as increasingly popular large language models (LLMs) become connected to data centers and eat up huge amounts of data. Based on current datacenter investment trends,LLMs could emit the equivalent of five billion U.S. cross-country flights in one year.

                                        https://cse.engin.umich.edu/stories/power-hungry-ai-researchers-evaluate-energy-consumption-across-models

                                        Far more than straightforward search engines that have the exact same information and don't make shit up half the time.

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                                          I don't like that 10 dnc senators voted yes, but I absolutely place 100% of the blame on the GOP.

                                          Reminder that failure to pass a resolution by the 14th, within 4 days of its introduction on the 10th, would automatically trigger government shutdown and recess of congress, giving Trump even more authority to discontinue payments to government programs and offices. It was made law on the 15th of March. Republicans left no room for negotiation.

                                          Any Democrat is better than Any Republican.

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                                          Ah yes so just let them shut down the government for the most vunerable americans, and let the part that throws people in jail run free. This is good because instead of everyone hurting, only the people republicans want to hurt are hurting. The rest of the population is free to ignore fascism and go about their normal day.

                                          This brilliant strategy brought to you by people who need to color code morality!

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