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Cloudflare announces AI Labyrinth, which uses AI-generated content to confuse and waste the resources of AI Crawlers and bots that ignore “no crawl” directives.

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    *imperfect oblate spheroid

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    Thank you. I have updated my post.

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    • morrowind@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

      Thanks, I don't really care for generalizing instances and didn't really have a choice when I made my account.

      But also your definition is impossibly broad as you well and I'm pretty sure not the general consensus. The video doesn't define it as such either.

      For one thing, by your definition we can have absolutely no meaningful human relationships. I can explain this more later when I have time if you don't see what I mean

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      sorry, assumed from combination of comment+instance.

      you can totally have human relationships! you just try to base things on consent. it's hard to see from here, because everything is so steeped in fuckery, and it's like trying to imagine slack in a system where a thousand things are keeping the same thing under high tension, but it does tend to work when the forces of oppression briefly collapse.

      'a paradise born in hell' by solnit goes into how it tends to emerge during disaster recovery, and how centralized authoritarian responses tend to... not help so much, if at all.

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      • morrowind@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

        I.. Don't think I've heard anyone claim authority shouldn't exist.

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        glad to offer you a new experience.

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          Not who you responded to but yeah I want to hear a drug fuelled rant I don't even care what topic

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          then don't ask for that version, dear. I did say 'by request'.

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          • buelldozer@lemmy.todayB [email protected]

            and try to slam your site with like 200+ requests per second

            Your solution would do nothing to stop the crawlers that are operating 10ish rps. There's ones out there operating at a mere 2rps but when multiple companies are doing it at the same time 24x7x365 it adds up.

            Some incredibly talented people have been battling this since last year and your solution has been tried multiple times. It's not effective in all instances and can require a LOT of manual intervention and SysAdmin time.

            https://thelibre.news/foss-infrastructure-is-under-attack-by-ai-companies/

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            Yep. After you ban all the easy to spot ones you're still left with far too many hard to ID bots. At least if your site is popular and large.

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            • D [email protected]

              the used market

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              so you're saying it's a niche toy you can get if you really want one, but nobody's pushing that shit on you, and if you never want to talk about one again in your life, you can probably do that?

              I would like if large language models were in this position. I don't think you understand the degree to which our productive capacity and infrastructure are committed to this technology. it's a lot. basically all the cutting edge computer chips being made are specialist chips for processing large (whatever) models, including the engineering to back it. that means everything else is bumped down a generation or five.

              then there's the amount of electricity being put towards these things-we are in a climate disaster, we do not have green energy, and these things are drawing in the high GW/low TW of energy.

              water is also a lot more precarious than a lot of people want to think about. these things are using lots and lots of good drinkable water to cool those specialist chips, then just being throws out, because I assume it's cheaper than cooling the hot water back down.

              if these things didn't ruin the internet, and were just something you ran on the beefy desktop you otherwise use for games, I wouldn't mind, but that's not where we are.

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                And soon, the already AI-flooded net will be filled with so much nonsense that it becomes impossible for anyone to get some real work done. Sigh.

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                  My dude, they'll literally sell services to both sides of the market.

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                  • L [email protected]

                    The article says it's not poisoning the AI data, only providing valid facts. The scraper still gets content, just not the content it was aiming for.

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                    if you're dumb enough to trust a large language model because someone told you "iTs Ai!" no amount of facts will be of great utility to you.

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                      On on hand, yes. On the other...imagine frustration of management of companies making and selling AI services. This is such a sweet thing to imagine.

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                      I just want to keep using uncensored AI that answers my questions. Why is this a good thing?

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                        You have Thirteen hours in which to solve this labyrinth before your baby AI becomes one of us, forever.

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                          Burning 29 acres of rainforest a day to do nothing

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                            cool, but where do you get them? you can't, right? because they were stupid?

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                            You can still buy new ones. Take a nap.

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                              Considering how many false positives Cloudflare serves i see nothing but misery coming from this.

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                                Why do I have the feeling that I will end up in that nightmare with my privacy focused and ad-free Browser setup. I already end up in captcha hell too often because of it.

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                                Of course it will. Cloudflare has already ruined the web and it's just another step further.

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                                • R [email protected]

                                  this is some fucking stupid situation, we somewhat got a faster internet and these bots messing each other are hugging the bandwidth.

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                                  Lol website traffic accounts for like 1% of bandwidth budget. 1 netflix movie is like 20k web pages.

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    Cloudflare kind of real for this. I love it.

                                    It makes perfect sense for them as a business, infinite automated traffic equals infinite costs and lower server stability, but at the same time how often do giant tech companies do things that make sense these days?

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                                    I'm sorry how does it make sense?

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                                      Considering how many false positives Cloudflare serves i see nothing but misery coming from this.

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                                      In terms of Lemmy instances, if your instance is behind cloudflare and you turn on AI protection, federation breaks. So their tools are not very helpful for fighting the AI scraping.

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                                      • S [email protected]

                                        You can still buy new ones. Take a nap.

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                                        somehow I get the impression all this defense of tomogatchis is not about tomogatchis.

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                                        • M [email protected]

                                          I just want to keep using uncensored AI that answers my questions. Why is this a good thing?

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                                          Because it's not AI, it's LLMs, and all LLMs do is guess what word most likely comes next in a sentence. That's why they are terrible at answering questions and do things like suggest adding glue to the cheese on your pizza because somewhere in the training data some idiot said that.

                                          The training data for LLMs come from the internet, and the internet is full of idiots.

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