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Other meaning for USA people

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  • N [email protected]

    From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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    Call them murican. Everyone gets it, even the usa-ians

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    • N [email protected]

      From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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        Eh, NY has the Yankees sports team but they are not part of New England and I'd say a good portion of the country would say NY has no Yankees in it besides the team.

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        That's the reason I didn't say New England.

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        • E [email protected]

          In Brazil, we use USians or Statesians

          I used the second one on an academic paper and it went through.

          I NEVER use "American", because

          America no es solo USA, papá
          esto es desde el Tierra del Fuego hasta el Canada

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          Ya tu sabé

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            Sounds like that fight was lost 100 years ago.

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            Not really. Most americans aren't native english speakers, and still consider themselves americans. They don't roll over and let the US coopt that term.

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            • davel@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

              Being a native, a Yankee to me is a New Englander. My Spanish friend had to gently explain to me, “shut up, you’re all yanquis.”

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              Being a native from The South, "Yankee" to me means anybody from the area above the Mason Dixon line. Full disclosure, I'm not proud to be from The South. However, I do find many Yankees to be at least a little bit rude by my standards. So, the designation stands in my head.

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                That's the reason I didn't say New England.

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                I think you should reread what I said, I don't think your response makes sense vs my statement.

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                  I think you should reread what I said, I don't think your response makes sense vs my statement.

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                  The term Yankee includes more than New England. That's why I didn't use the term New England while you did.

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                  • grapho@lemmy.mlG [email protected]

                    other people in the world absolutely were using the term American to refer to citizens of the US before the 1900s.

                    I mean, a few, I imagine. There's always been people saying shit wrong. Would help your case if you actually had a source and not just a vibe to refute an evidence based position.

                    By population, however, most of the world isn't the anglosphere. Spanish speakers, which is most of America, by and large call you "Estadunidenses" whenever it's not "gringo". A good chunk of us also speak English and object to gringos colonizing "america" much like Indonesians or Indians or Malaysians probably would have if Japan decided it was "Asia".

                    You might not have decided that we speak English, but the same government that made it a necessity for us in the global south to learn the language is the one that decided to steal that term. Language matters.

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                    Oh, I have sources. I'm just not rounding them up for this shit. After the assholery I've already dealt with, I'm done. I didn't give much of a fuck about dessalines' tangent to begin with, but was willing to engage a little with it just because of who it was.

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                    • N [email protected]

                      From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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                      We say "USA" for the country and "US-American" for the people

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                      • B [email protected]

                        Do Southerners use Yankee pejoratively to refer to northerners?

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                        You're god damn right we do.

                        The shithead in golf shorts in line ahead of you at Publix bitching out the cashier for not thanking him for letting her help him? The one who left where he's from because he didn't like it there and then wants here to be like where he's from? That's a Yankee, quite likely a halfback.

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                        • N [email protected]

                          From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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                          Its my understanding that in Spanish, "American" refers to anyone from the Americas. In some languages/countries, the Americas are taught as 1 continent (Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, Antarctica, and America), so a person from any country in the Americas would be called "American".

                          In most English speaking countries, we are taught that there are 7 continents, and north and south America are separate continents. In that context, you wouldn't really use a term to refer to people from both continents. It's similar to how, as a spaniard, I could not call you "eurasian", i would just say "european". In English, you would then have to refer to people as either "north american" or "south american".

                          In practice, we do refer to people from south America as "south american", but north america usually gets divided into "central american" and "caribbean", which only leaves the US, Canada, and Mexico.

                          People from Mexico and Canada have obvious demonyms, while the USA does not. "Gringo" also applies to Canadians (and it's specifically referring to non-spanish speaking european americans), so it doesn't really work as a demonym. "Yankee" doesn't really work, either, because it only applies to a subset of people from the US, so it's similar to calling everyone from Great Britain "English".

                          I haven't met any primarily English speaking residents of the americas with any problem with people from the US being called "american".

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                            You're god damn right we do.

                            The shithead in golf shorts in line ahead of you at Publix bitching out the cashier for not thanking him for letting her help him? The one who left where he's from because he didn't like it there and then wants here to be like where he's from? That's a Yankee, quite likely a halfback.

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                            Username checks out lol

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                            • N [email protected]

                              From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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                              I’m in Texas, so there is a lot of Mexican cultural exchange. Spanish was practically a second language in my public schools, and most people speak at least a little bit of spanglish.

                              When a Mexican calls an American a gringo, they’re not being nice. “Gringo” is typically used as a pejorative, to refer to a specific type of “mayo is too spicy and I’m afraid of people who have melatonin” white people.

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                                I’m in Texas, so there is a lot of Mexican cultural exchange. Spanish was practically a second language in my public schools, and most people speak at least a little bit of spanglish.

                                When a Mexican calls an American a gringo, they’re not being nice. “Gringo” is typically used as a pejorative, to refer to a specific type of “mayo is too spicy and I’m afraid of people who have melatonin” white people.

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                                Those deeply sleeping bastards

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                                • N [email protected]

                                  From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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                                  You can say USAmerican or US (as an adjective, e.g. US government) as a neutral demonym. "Yankee" and "gringo" have pejorative connotations, although I'm not Latin American so I don't know what the connotations are among LatAm Spanish speakers. Also, my understanding of the word "gringo" as someone who lives in neither of the Americas is that it refers to specifically white people, not USAmericans in general. I'm not sure if I've understood the usage of the term correctly, but if other people have the same understanding, they may get confused if you call eg a Black USAmerican a gringo.

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                                    Username checks out lol

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                                    And don't you forget it.

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                                    • zagorath@aussie.zoneZ [email protected]

                                      Oh that's really interesting. I would have sworn that o-shortening was a distinctly Australian thing. Do you have other words that you shorten like that? Do you know if that's a specific term that Brits might have borrowed from Australia, or if it evolved naturally out of British slang?

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                                      I love the desperate attempts to prove that Australia has a unique culture not derived from Britain

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