Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia
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Someone performing a Nazi salute is already a Nazi.
Making the gesture illegal is a clear communication to all Australians that we will not tolerate this ideology.
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Alain de Botton did some really good philosophy videos, maybe for the BBC.
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This isn't about people being just openly Nazi but for any "hate-related offense". If you want to tackle any such thing you might need to look into the root causes of the issues and try to fix those, including tackling concerns from the people who become hateful, such as living conditions, education, that sort of stuff. So much like with criminality. That's a lot more work than just the "tough on crime" approach of throwing everyone into jail for a year, minimum, and hoping that will work (or rather trying to show to your voters that you're doing something).
Can you force them to shut the fuck up with their hateful Nazi sit if they want to be a part of society? I think this will sure help.
It will be the same as anywhere that already has this sort of laws, people will be less obvious about it while the same hate and message is out there. I don't think this will affect anything that giving tougher fines wouldn't and it would cause more negatives than that does. You could even have stricter punishments for repeat offenders and do fines as day fines. But prison for a year for any such offense? The scale seems off, especially when you consider that the maximum for terrorism related stuff is six years.
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Knowing my luck, I'd get 12 months for having my arm at an unfavourable angle while giving directions.
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I hope you're right but I'm less optimistic about courts.
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Then they become martyrs for their group.
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Remember that Hersant idiot from a few months back did the salute outside a courthouse.
He was found guilty, judge gave no fucks: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-08/vic-nazi-salute-jacob-hersant-court/104443118
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"Less obvious" means fewer recruits. I'm not sure why you think being less obvious is just as effective as being overt.
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“No charges to be laid over alleged Nazi salute made by officer at Victoria Police academy”
https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104796744
Cops get to be a little Nazi as a treat.
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Judges could have biases of their own whether they realise it or not.
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"Recruits"? The concern isn't people joining something, it's them agreeing with the message. Less obvious approach already works just fine (probably even better than direct approach) all over the world in selling the message and the hate, so if you think this mandatory year of jail will have much of an effect on that, I have a few other "tough on crime" approaches to sell to you. Might even declare War on Hate in style of War on Drugs.
As usual, people want tough and immediate measures, forgetting about a longer term approach and working to tackle the causes of why this messaging sells so well.
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Yeah. There's not a lot of information there though. Who really knows what happened.
Maybe the police covered it up. Maybe it wasn't a Nazi salute.
This guy was pretty emphatic. I mean there was nothing about how she's a good officer or maybe a misunderstanding or whatever. That was a sincere and direct statement of position and intent to prosecute any offenders.
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Sorry... you think that averting people from joining Nazi groups is unimportant? You think they're more dangerous as individuals?
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The concern isn’t people joining something, it’s them agreeing with the message.
The concern is literally them joining something. One bigot alone has very little power.
