Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia
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An Australian anti-fascist perspective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ2KvtlLJyQ
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I'm not false equivocating in order to take the fight off of fascism, both things are true. My point is we don't fight fascism by allowing courts to make performative gestures outlawing performative gestures, its done by organizing against the worst tendencies of capital. By all means ban Nazi salutes it won't affect anyone I associate with, and if it did I would no longer.
Lots of people seem to think having a slight criticism is the same as trying to bad faith rhetorically muddy the waters to give space for fascism. But no, that's what liberalism does, consistently.
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Well both can be true.
I did understand it was a joke but also yes I wish I could but there's laundry to do and a genocide to stop.
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facists are deadend for humanity
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Does imagining everyone that I'd locked behind bars as a violent rapist make you feel safe? Aren't you glad you don't live like that, aren't you so much better than all of those people who definitely 100% of them are just always violently raping everybody. Its so simple since everyone in prison definitely deserves to be there, and all of the violent rapists in society are in prison.
Whew you sure convinced me that this issue doesn't need discussed or addressed or thought about at all.
Trying to argue that I'm somehow "pro-rape" is about the most fox-news chud take I've heard all week, which is quite an accomplishment. I'd say you should be proud but I would understand if you felt a little embarrassed
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Sorry I deleted that comment, I didn't like my tone.
Personally I'm not a prison abolitionist. I'd like to see an end to it, ideally, but realistically that would be an amount of practical work beyond just simple reforms, the whole of society would have to be changed. I'm into that, which is why I don't ideally dismiss it.
I treated it better elsewhere, here I just said "you can't snap your fingers" but what I mean is prisons and police they actually are the answer to a lot of problems in society. I agree with you, I would like to see much more reform programs rather than the USA prison system that "needs" prisons, which isn't to say every prison is a social necessity, more like there are political and economic incentive structures that make meaningful progressive change extremely difficult. But my father was a prison guard, and we don't agree much on politics, especially when it comes to carcerial justice, but that man had seen some absolute monsterous behavior from people who are basically unreformable by any modern standard -- and as much as I wish that wasn't the case and I wish they had been given the opportunity for a better life where maybe they wouldn't have lost every bit of their humanity, that doesn't change reality.
However I do think that a society that proliferates carcerial justice the way that we do in the USA, which is all my experience is about, I dont know about Aussie prisons, is not one that is able to restore or even preserve the humanity of all its citizens. A society that makes monsters needs a place to put them; however a place to put monsters creates a demand for monstrousness that must be met. This is whag I would mean to abolish.
Thanks for the response, I did take it personally but thanks for clarifying your position
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Once someone buys into Nazi rhetoric it can take decades to deprogram them. How do you suggest this to be done when it takes far shorter amount of time to spread their rhetoric?
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Their point is that not only does jailing them not deprogram them or prevent them from spreading their rhetoric, it is more likely to have the opposite effect.
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That is a poor point and allowing it to spread is the reality we are actually facing.
Case in point. Germany has been tightly controlling this for several decades. Is their society now overran by Nazi rhetoric? The answer is no.
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I think we would agree that for profit prisons are an absolute atrocity. I harbour a lot of hate for certain types of criminals, but for profit prison is downright evil and corrupt right off the bat. Protecting the public must include rehabilitation or you're just releasing monsters. I would separate violent and non violent, i would also throw every intervention at the problem and see what works, employ the success stories, end poverty fist and foremost. In my opininion, incarceration is necessary mostly because society has failed, in some caes it is however, unavoidable.
I appreciate your perspective and experience on the subject. Thank you.
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interesting, that kind of fine would be nice for us to have in Australia. i agree with you honestly, a fine for something like this would be good as long as it's hefty and proportional to income
