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Don't fix the problem just change the parameters

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  • L [email protected]

    You said we are required mental arithmetic which isn't the case in higher education

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    Let me take a guess: you may have heard about higher education at some point. Apart from that, read again and again. Slowly. Few times.

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      No doubt the parents are idiots just like their kids

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      Reversed Darwin. More and more of these.

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        One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.

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        very few continue to use an abacus. analog clocks will still be around for decades

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          I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

          I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

          This is minor,
          but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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          It is minor but part of a bigger problem. Show them a globe and ask them to point our where Austria is and then ask them where Australia is. Most couldn't do it. And many wouldn't even know the difference

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          • S [email protected]

            I remember learning in second grade.

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            The older you are the more you actually learned in school.

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              I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.

              Like cursive they are obsolete.

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              good point. that's why we have no need to study history since every thing in the past is obsolete

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              • H [email protected]

                Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.

                I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.

                These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.

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                As our schools fail they simply change the parameters to cover up their failures

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                  It's definetrly because they don't want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.

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                  When I was a student, my school had analog clocks that were synced via some electric system.

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                  • F [email protected]

                    Let me take a guess: you may have heard about higher education at some point. Apart from that, read again and again. Slowly. Few times.

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                    You're ratioed in each and every comment and still you act with this feeling of superiority. I admire this level of confidence or should I say lack of self reflection.

                    Where I live, students get a calculator in I think 8th or 9th grade. So at this point, it would be ok to also hang a digital clock in the classroom, right?

                    If you are repeatedly misunderstood and want to change that, maybe rephrase your point if you have one. Than you might even be taken seriously.

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                      You're ratioed in each and every comment and still you act with this feeling of superiority. I admire this level of confidence or should I say lack of self reflection.

                      Where I live, students get a calculator in I think 8th or 9th grade. So at this point, it would be ok to also hang a digital clock in the classroom, right?

                      If you are repeatedly misunderstood and want to change that, maybe rephrase your point if you have one. Than you might even be taken seriously.

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                      Read again. Slowly. And again. And again.

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                        I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

                        I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

                        This is minor,
                        but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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                        Cursive is wayyyy more accessible for lots of people with chronic pain in their arm/hand/wrist. Also helps prevent those conditions for those who have do a lot of hand writing. I dread the day that people will no longer be able to read the least painful way to write or me.

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                        • M [email protected]

                          yeh but that's a very slippery slope..

                          before long (no clue how long if you can't read an analogue clock) you'll have to teach them about 24 hrs in a day, 7 days in a week, 4 weeks in a month, 12 months a year. 365.
                          and why we have a Gregorian calendar why it wasn't always that way.
                          oh yeah, and the 29th of February (leap years).

                          ain't nobody got time for that

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                          Don't forget, if the year is divisible by 400, it's not a leap year...

                          Yeah, the finer grained details of timekeeping can get confusing, but I learned all that from online sources and curiosity by age 17.

                          We really do live in an amazing era where technology does so much for us behind the scenes, until AWS takes a shit anyways...

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                          • W [email protected]

                            Do you know how to read a sundial?

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                            I hope you are not serious. If the shadow (hand) is on two, it's two o'clock. If it's on three, it's three o'clock. If it's exactly between those two ticks it's half past two. There isn't even anything to learn (at least when they were invented). That's exactly how the hour hand on a clock works.

                            (Note: Today it would be a bit more complicated if you want wall-clock-time because the sun dial always tells local solar time and if you want the time in your time zone you would have to adjust for DST and use the equation of time for some smaller corrections)

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                            • aarrjaay@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                              Its becoming a reality though. I work in a school (primary and secondary) and the exams officer is putting digital clocks only in the exam rooms for that reason.

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                              Students not being able to read an analogue clock being a reason may seem silly, but being able to read one shouldn't be a requirement to be able to do well in exams, especially UK exams where students have enough to deal with already.

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                                Analog clocks are just annoying, I support this change. Also let's change format to 24hr format

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                                • C [email protected]

                                  When I was a student, my school had analog clocks that were synced via some electric system.

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                                  My school didn't even have working clocks. šŸ˜•

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                                  • sommerset@thelemmy.clubS [email protected]

                                    Analog clocks are just annoying, I support this change. Also let's change format to 24hr format

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                                    Ironically, I want a 24h analogue clock

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                                    • remembertheapollo_@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                                      This has got to be AI written or cherry picked data. They’re pulling clocks to save a few $ if anything. Old schools used to have synchronized analog systems. I could easily see those things being removed.

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                                      Really? I never knew any of them were synchronized, that's cool if so. I seem to remember us pulling them off the wall at our schools and changing them twice a year or replacing the batteries. Having them wired with synchronization may be overboard, but it is kind of cool

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                                        birthdays? so you have a clock with 365 (+¼) minutes?

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                                        Analog clocks imitate sun dials and of you have amazing eye sight/precision you would only need the hour hand. If the hand is exactly on 3, it's 3 o'clock. If the hand is exactly in the middle between 3 and 4 it's half past 3. If the hand is 4° after 5 it's 04:08. But because our eye sight doesn't have super resolution we just add another hand that makes a full circle when the hour hand moves an hour. And same with seconds. Second hand makes a full circle for 1 minute.

                                        Back to birthdays - you can do that on the other direction as well but I wouldn't call it a clock, it's a circular calendar. Think about a disk (like a wall clock with only one hand) and seven equal segments. The days of the week, every morning we move the hand to the next day. Another disk with 31 segments (day of the month) and another separate disk with 12 segments. We typically move that one on the first of the month to the next step.

                                        Now of we discuss events I can point to a segment and even though she is a young kid she immediately gets the scale of things because of something happens in a few hours (let's say she is meeting a friend) I show it to her on the normal analog clock with focus on the hour hand. But if she ask about Christmas I point on the "month" dial and she knows that it takes a very long time for that hand to move.

                                        Typical analog clocks have all the hands on the same disk (for convenience and because it's compact). Our "child-clock" started originally as an normal analog clock with only the hour hand and is now a normal analog clock with hour and minute hand and three more separate disks for day of the week, day of the month and month of the year.

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                                          Are you from the US? I'm completely amazed that there are counties we you are almost never exposed to analog clocks. I'm from Europe and analog clocks are everywhere. Every train station, public buildings, churches, clock towers, homes, wrist watches. Heck we even have tons of (but more because of esthetics instead of serious time keeping) sun dials on walls (which the analog clock and the clock wise direction is based on - for the north hemisphere).
                                          Many appliances/devices have digital clocks but that's not because the are more modern/better but because they are way cheaper to produce and have less moving parts.

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                                          Seriously! I’m absolutely baffled by the comments here talking about how analog clocks are somehow this bizarre anarchism from the distant past that is just sooooooo difficult to understand. Wtf has been going on over there??

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