What is the end game?
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Collapse of civilization is right around the corner.
I wouldn't be so sure. History is filled with examples of power grabs that endured for generations.
The ability to grow, store, and distribute grains at scale is necessary for the continued existence of civilization. Climate change will destroy this in short order. Once that ability is gone, so will be civilization.
There is no tomorrow.
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This is so ridiculous. It is literally impossible for the US to become a vassal state of Russia. The USA spends, in aggregate over all states, TWICE AS MUCH ON ITS DOMESTIC POLICE AS RUSSIA SPENDS ON ITS ENTIRE MILITARY INCLUDING NUKES.
It is literally impossible. You are falling for children's story about the bad people over there.
Trump is a Russian agent and the Kremlin dictates U.S. policy. It's already happened.
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
What they think they're doing and what they're actually doing are two different questions. What they're aiming to do is keep things trucking along while making as much profit as possible, more or less the same as most politicians, but with a bit more of a realpolitic approach. There is no long term plan, and that goes for basically anyone remotely near to the levers of power. What we have is a system of competing groups all singularly focused on maximizing their profits for the next quarter, nobody's actually at the helm and it's an open question whether anyone could take the helm and alter the course from the natural progression determined by systemic forces.
Where we are actually headed, regardless of who's in charge, is a matter of several in convertible facts. First, the US is clearly in decline and will eventually lost its spot as global hegemon, at this point, there is a serious risk that it will start WWIII in response, as Americans are not ones to accept defeat gracefully. Second, climate change will render more and more areas in developing nations unstable or uninhabitable, causing a major refugee crisis which has already started and is going to get considerably worse. What measures will be taken to maintain the dividing lines that keep people from poor countries out of rich countries is another question, and it may well be answered with genocide.
If, by some miracle, cooler heads prevail and we don't start WWIII, and you're lucky enough to have been born in a rich country, then we will likely just see things get gradually and progressively worse. But it will be the kind of apocalypse where you still have to go to work. Day to day life will carry on, just with more uncomfortable things you have to push out of mind, more frequent shootings, the reemergence of diseases. There isn't going to be a tipping point that causes a revolution, nor are the elites going to unveil a secret plot to make everyone eat bugs or whatever. You're just going to be working longer hours, according less, retiring later (if at all), and probably having to navigate and even more bullshit process for applying for jobs. This sort of "boring dystopia" is almost certainly where we're headed.
The two most important political priorities, arguably the only two priorities that really matter, are demilitarization andopposing war with China, and opposing genocide of foreigners/refugees/immigrants. These are the things we will be facing, perhaps within the next 10 years, and if we aren't able to organize resistance along those lines, things are going to get very ugly. Actually stopping the decline is very unrealistic/implausible and has been for some time.
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
the two types of people in this world (if you're not a lib):
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The end game is a cyberpunk-esque corporate controlled future. No government, only companies deciding what's happening. Yes, slavery essentially, because people have to work for them to survive. No "less work" savings because of rising productivity, only more and more money centralized in them.
I'd rather kill myself, and I have plans on how.
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Pfft, why do the men have to enjoy it either? Isn't the entire point of being evil to inflict as much suffering as possible?
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I'd rather kill myself, and I have plans on how.
I don't want you to kill yourself. But I hope your plan includes taking a few billionaires with you
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I think once the singularity is reached with AI, it will quickly be able to take over all systems (including banking). I believe that it will be benevolent and will help humanity reach enlightenment. Most people will get an early retirement. But, some people such as Musk, Zuck, Bezos, will be considered essential and will be required to assist the AI and their robot armies in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. I’m thinking we would only need about 1% of the population to work at that time, the top 1% are the best candidates.
I doubt AI will ever have it's own will. First to get their hands on ASI, becomes God forever.
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I don't want you to kill yourself. But I hope your plan includes taking a few billionaires with you
No, just blowing up somewhere quiet that won't do too much damage, but I did think about it, and it's unrealistic. I just want a plan B for when things become intolerable. I won't be a slave.
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The ability to grow, store, and distribute grains at scale is necessary for the continued existence of civilization. Climate change will destroy this in short order. Once that ability is gone, so will be civilization.
There is no tomorrow.
Countries like the PRC are making vast strides in the way of fighting climate change and emissions. We won't be able to avoid all of the consequences of climate change, but we can minimize the damage and develop methods of environmental engineering.
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See my comment to over_clox below. I'm pretty sure on many levels of abstraction. It is unlikely to convince you. I'm cool with that. I don't want it to happen. I'm simply noting the pieces aligning. I am broadly curious in many areas and subjects. I am also more broadly aware and generally skeptical than most people. None of that is a source of depression or in any way shape or form a justification for your accusatory statement implying the state of my mental health. I find that accusation tangential, offensive, and a personal attack in reply to a general statement where there was no individual in question. Turning a broad abstraction into a personal attack on an individual is reprehensible and rather pathetic behavior.
I apologize because I did not mean to make any sort of personal attack. If it came across that way that is entirely my fault.
If I can clarify in hopefully neutral terms, what I meant to say is that believing with certainty that 7 billion people are facing violent death within a generation or two cannot be good for anyone’s mental state and that sort of doom weighing on a mind will likely affect cause it many problems. It was not intended to be an attack on you, mainly an observation on the idea from my very limited point of view.
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This is so ridiculous. It is literally impossible for the US to become a vassal state of Russia. The USA spends, in aggregate over all states, TWICE AS MUCH ON ITS DOMESTIC POLICE AS RUSSIA SPENDS ON ITS ENTIRE MILITARY INCLUDING NUKES.
It is literally impossible. You are falling for children's story about the bad people over there.
I don't think you know what the words 'literally' and 'impossible' mean.
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
There is no endgame, it's just "how much bribery and corruption can I do before I have to leave the legal immunity bubble that the Supreme Court created.
They're rich enough that they will be unaffected by the global consequences of their actions.
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
All these US-centric answers.
Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends. -
I don't think you know what the words 'literally' and 'impossible' mean.
Oh I do. The USA is a country that has Russophobia built into its institutions and social fabric, that has a spy network that has been operating continuously since it was formed post WW2, that controls more money, more arms, and more territory than any other country. It has assassinated more people, overthrown more governments, dropped more bombs, and killed more people than any country in the world since WW2. It has the most powerful companies, the most powerful billionaires, the most billionaires, the most billionaire-friendly laws and politicians. It has the world's reserve currency that every other country has needed to obtain in order to buy oil. It has destroyed entire countries for trying to prosper outside of its rules. It regularly imprisons or kills anyone that would threaten it even a little bit.
There is quite literally no path by which Russia could make the USA a vassal state. Russia has nothing to offer the USA billionaires, Russia's military and military intelligence had to be reorganized 30 years ago after the USSR was dismantled. Russia doesn't have the continuity that the USA does. It does have the money, it military, the resources, or the influence to make the USA a vassal state. The anti-russia CIA has had plenty of opportunities to put their thumb on the scale with Trump. They have not. Trump cannot get richer by becoming a vassal to Russia. But even if he could, there are far more billionaires running this country that would not benefit from becoming a vassal. And yet, there's not one of the powerful people trying to stop him.
The business plot in the USA shows just how organized and powerful the rich can be. They organized and were planning a coup in the USA so they could become more like fascist Germany, not to become a vassal, but to organize society to their benefit and ally with Germany.
You think billionaires would cheer on the USA becoming a vassal to a smaller, weaker state?
Russia can offer nothing, Russia's intelligence cannot overcome the CIA domestically, and the USA is the best place for the rich and powerful to be.
It is literally impossible for the USA to become a vassal of Russia
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What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they're hell bent on global destruction.
Orange juice
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The end game is a cyberpunk-esque corporate controlled future. No government, only companies deciding what's happening. Yes, slavery essentially, because people have to work for them to survive. No "less work" savings because of rising productivity, only more and more money centralized in them.
The government is the only one stopping me from buying a small patch of woodland and building a cabin there to live in. Get rid of that and suddenly I no longer have a reason to work more than a handful of hours a month.
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All these US-centric answers.
Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends.4 channer said to not do that.
Also mentioned most business are fake or provide fake materials, probably why buildings are made of tofu in china
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Oh I do. The USA is a country that has Russophobia built into its institutions and social fabric, that has a spy network that has been operating continuously since it was formed post WW2, that controls more money, more arms, and more territory than any other country. It has assassinated more people, overthrown more governments, dropped more bombs, and killed more people than any country in the world since WW2. It has the most powerful companies, the most powerful billionaires, the most billionaires, the most billionaire-friendly laws and politicians. It has the world's reserve currency that every other country has needed to obtain in order to buy oil. It has destroyed entire countries for trying to prosper outside of its rules. It regularly imprisons or kills anyone that would threaten it even a little bit.
There is quite literally no path by which Russia could make the USA a vassal state. Russia has nothing to offer the USA billionaires, Russia's military and military intelligence had to be reorganized 30 years ago after the USSR was dismantled. Russia doesn't have the continuity that the USA does. It does have the money, it military, the resources, or the influence to make the USA a vassal state. The anti-russia CIA has had plenty of opportunities to put their thumb on the scale with Trump. They have not. Trump cannot get richer by becoming a vassal to Russia. But even if he could, there are far more billionaires running this country that would not benefit from becoming a vassal. And yet, there's not one of the powerful people trying to stop him.
The business plot in the USA shows just how organized and powerful the rich can be. They organized and were planning a coup in the USA so they could become more like fascist Germany, not to become a vassal, but to organize society to their benefit and ally with Germany.
You think billionaires would cheer on the USA becoming a vassal to a smaller, weaker state?
Russia can offer nothing, Russia's intelligence cannot overcome the CIA domestically, and the USA is the best place for the rich and powerful to be.
It is literally impossible for the USA to become a vassal of Russia
All Russia has to do (and by Russia, I mean specifically Putin and the KGB) is compromise our President. Which they have done. It's quite interesting how many pro-Russian decisions and talking points that are coming out of Trump's mouth. The size of our military, the amount of money we have or how much 'influence' we have (which is dwindling every day since Trump has alienated our allies and made us an absolute mockery on the world stage) - none of it matters if Putin has control of Trump, who has wasted no time in replacing the heads of government agencies with those loyal to his agenda. In this regard, Trump is a Russian agent.
You're wrong. Or you're a propagandist. Either way, time will tell.
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Trump is a Russian agent and the Kremlin dictates U.S. policy. It's already happened.
That's utterly ridiculous, see my reply here: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7141540/6029073
Essentially, Trump doesn't have that kind of power. I don't mean legally, I mean socially. The business community in the USA is organized well enough to take out presidents. Let's not forget that as early as the 1930s there was consciousness among veterans that the military was used to further business interests. Let's not forget that the CIA was founded by the Dulles brothers to advance US business interests abroad. Let's not forget that when FDR was trying to implement the New Deal the rich of the USA organized a criminal conspiracy to coup the US and install a dictator.
Let's also not forget that the US military intelligence community has been organized against Russia for the last 80 years. Everything it does is informed by it's early foundations as an anti-Russia movement. They know more about Russia than Russia knows about the USA. US military intelligence also didn't suffer a complete and utter rupture like Russia's did when the USSR was dismantled. The USA got access Russian internal documents during that time, the Russia received no such boon to its intelligence.
In short, the USA is the more powerful of the two countries by every single measure, and both countries are fully aware of this. Not only that, but the elite of the USA are capable of stopping any Russian agent from slowing down their gravy train. They were willing to coup FDR just for helping the working class. There's no way the Russophobes in power in the USA would allow a Russian agent to take the reigns. They've had AMPLE opportunities to neutralize the threat. They've done so much killing, so much maiming, so much disappearing for much smaller stakes. Why do you think know that the stakes are the highest they could be they just won't do anything about it?
Further, the billionaires have every reason NOT to become a vassal state of Russia. It affords them absolutely no benefit and makes things far far worse for them. The USA has a strong currency, stronger economy, more money, greater access to markets, better trading terms, more military power, more global domination, more tax revenue, more colonies, more slave laborers, essentially more of everything (except the ability to produce effective weapons, I guess). No power bloc in America benefits from subjugating themselves to Russia.
No. The real answer is just too emotionally difficult for you. You've grown up in a Russophobic culture. We played video games where they replaced the Germans with Russians as the primary enemy. We've been socialized to believe Russia is terribad and dank evil. But the geopolitical situation is not good for the USA and the camp that believed they could defeat both Russia and China has been shown to be incorrect. So now, the situation is that the USA needs an alliance with Russia in the hopes of peeling Russia out of BRICS, away from its alliance with China, and eventually have Russia's support in fighting against China. So Trump is the figurehead put in place to shift American policy towards an alliance with Russia.
And you and every other American, with so much indoctrinated Russophobia, can't imagine that the same people who told you Russia was evil are now seeking an alliance with Russia. The only way you can square that circle is to believe Trump is some "great man" who can single-handedly overcome the most powerful institutions in the history of world because a bunch of overtly racist morons voted the wrong way.
You're going to have to face the reality that the US government's policy regarding Russia has changed and that, like all presidents since WW2, Trump is the outward face of that policy.
