Trump says US will not make Ukraine security guarantees ‘beyond very much’ and Kyiv can ‘forget about’ joining Nato – live
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As for NATO membership in particular, all NATO members need to accept new members...
But the EU has a similar clause to help with military invasions, so the US support isn't strictly needed for security.
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I though trump was going to pull the US out of Nato?
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Trump and Pooting. Helping the EU grow larger and breaking their chains of Dependance
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The leverage is whatever they expect to happen if they are left to Russian interests
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Made me chuckle, thanks
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Ukraine is going to renuclearize
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The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US' "guarantee", when they've been nothing but untrustworthy.
And people's lives are not toys. I get the sentiment behind wanting less people to die. But Trump and Putin do think people's lives are toys, so I can't imagine the outcome of this being beneficial in any way to Ukraine.
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And there is no provision to remove a more member from NATO.
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I guess by staying in they can derail it being useful to anybody else, veto new members, etc.
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No, it’s not.
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Ukraine wouldn’t last long with US support.
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Of course not. That would be against Putins commands.
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The thing confusing me most is why Ukraine would trust any US’ “guarantee”, when they’ve been nothing but untrustworthy.
Bro, this whole ordeal is a lesson in why not to trust the west.
Ukraine should've kept its nukes and mined the shit out of its border with Russia. Every single day of peace should've been spent preparing for war.
In hindsight, any retard who said "but preparations will be seen as aggression!" should be chastised for the damaging retards they are. Looks like when we listen to them, Ukraine still gets invaded!
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What nations should they listen to instead?
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Their own mostly. Countries don't have country buddies.
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Or maybe they play along hoping the next US election cycle allows them to join NATO.
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Right. Germany, Poland, Italy and Ukraine are.
And the EU is going to federalise -
If US can't guarantee, then sell the raw earth to the EU instead or china, india.
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France is still exploiting Africa for raw resources. They didn't stop just because African countries got flag independence.
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You can remove a member by all leaving and forming NATO 2 and not accepting the member they wanted to remove.
