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  • ? Guest

    I wouldn't doubt it, though MW seems hard to manage.

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    It's not that bad once you get the hang of it, especially using a wiki farm like http://www.miraheze.org/

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    • blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB [email protected]

      https://ibis.wiki/ ?

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      Seems like there is a federated solution for everything lol

      There's also a list of ActivityPub software on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub#Software_using_ActivityPub

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        Hosting a wiki isn't that expensive it's basically texts and some lightweight pictures. The whole english wikipedia is around 109GB of data.

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        That doesn’t include images. Images are stored on wikimedia commons, which is about 425 TB.

        https://webarchiveweb.wayback.bac-lac.canada.ca/web/20240117045744/https%3A//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ASize_of_Wikipedia

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          This looks interesting.

          Seems like it's still early days yet, but are there plans to add things like namespaces and categories?

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          For now my focus is to make it federate with Lemmy and the rest of the Fediverse. But you're welcome to open an issue for that kind of feature.

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          • meldrik@lemmy.wtfM [email protected]

            This looks very awesome. So it also functions as a redundant wiki?

            Wikipedia should use it. Then others can create their own wikis, which keep a version of articles of Wikipedia.

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            Its similar to Lemmy in many ways, so like Lemmy posts are redundantly mirrored across instances, the same is true for Ibis articles.

            Getting Wikipedia federated would be great, but it will take a long time for Ibis to be ready for that scale.

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              Seems like there is a federated solution for everything lol

              There's also a list of ActivityPub software on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub#Software_using_ActivityPub

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              Nah... Missing IMHO:

              • Strava like
              • IMDB like
              • stackoverflow like
              • google maps review like
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              • nutomic@lemmy.mlN [email protected]

                Its similar to Lemmy in many ways, so like Lemmy posts are redundantly mirrored across instances, the same is true for Ibis articles.

                Getting Wikipedia federated would be great, but it will take a long time for Ibis to be ready for that scale.

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                Can ibis import a full Wikipedia backup?

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                • lgsp@feddit.itL [email protected]

                  Nah... Missing IMHO:

                  • Strava like
                  • IMDB like
                  • stackoverflow like
                  • google maps review like
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                  #34

                  Also:

                  • gift economy/trading platform (e.g. like freecycle)
                  • buying/selling (e.g. like ebay)
                  • local community/bioregionalism networks (e.g. what nextdoor should be)

                  These seem kind of ideal for a federated network, IMO.

                  I actually think Lemmy would be a pretty decent format for something stackoverflow like - just maybe needs to UI tweaks to minimise the visual space that replies take up, plus maybe answered post flair

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                  • ? Guest

                    I absolutely love wiki walking through random obscure fan wikis, but I hate how most are on Fandom.

                    I think a federated wiki solution makes sense. I could see it as an evolution of the interwiki concept.

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                    I used gitit for a while. It's got backed and you can propagate it around that way.

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                      Also:

                      • gift economy/trading platform (e.g. like freecycle)
                      • buying/selling (e.g. like ebay)
                      • local community/bioregionalism networks (e.g. what nextdoor should be)

                      These seem kind of ideal for a federated network, IMO.

                      I actually think Lemmy would be a pretty decent format for something stackoverflow like - just maybe needs to UI tweaks to minimise the visual space that replies take up, plus maybe answered post flair

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                      There's https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt for a marketplace.

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                        That doesn’t include images. Images are stored on wikimedia commons, which is about 425 TB.

                        https://webarchiveweb.wayback.bac-lac.canada.ca/web/20240117045744/https%3A//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ASize_of_Wikipedia

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                        Well, with Kiwix I was able to download the whole english wikipedia with mid-res pictures on my 128GB USB Drive. I think the 600TB you're talking about includes videos and hish-res pictures.

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                        • lgsp@feddit.itL [email protected]

                          Nah... Missing IMHO:

                          • Strava like
                          • IMDB like
                          • stackoverflow like
                          • google maps review like
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                          Strava like: FitTrackee and Endurain are planning to implement ActivityPub so yah there's gonna to be one
                          IMDB like: NeoDB and LibRate
                          Not sure about the rest

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                            Strava like: FitTrackee and Endurain are planning to implement ActivityPub so yah there's gonna to be one
                            IMDB like: NeoDB and LibRate
                            Not sure about the rest

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                            thank you! I will keep an eye on those

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                              I absolutely love wiki walking through random obscure fan wikis, but I hate how most are on Fandom.

                              I think a federated wiki solution makes sense. I could see it as an evolution of the interwiki concept.

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                              What benefit would federating it bring?

                              The ability to self-host your own FOSS wiki already exists and has for over two decades. It's called MediaWiki.

                              You could have federated accounts I guess but do editors on the Doctor Who wiki really need the ability to see posts on Mastadon or edit pages on the That 70's Wiki?

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                              • mapto@feddit.bgM [email protected]

                                There's https://codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmarkt for a marketplace.

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                                Thanks, I saw that flohmakrt link in another comment too. Excellent!

                                Does that yrpri site work well?

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                                  Can ibis import a full Wikipedia backup?

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                                  There is an API so you could write a script to import any kind of data.

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                                  • E [email protected]

                                    What benefit would federating it bring?

                                    The ability to self-host your own FOSS wiki already exists and has for over two decades. It's called MediaWiki.

                                    You could have federated accounts I guess but do editors on the Doctor Who wiki really need the ability to see posts on Mastadon or edit pages on the That 70's Wiki?

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                                    Discovery. The current state of google dooms such small wikis. They will have zero traffic. Google has been overtaken by AI slop, so if we want to be relevant, we have no choice but to federate

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                                      What benefit would federating it bring?

                                      The ability to self-host your own FOSS wiki already exists and has for over two decades. It's called MediaWiki.

                                      You could have federated accounts I guess but do editors on the Doctor Who wiki really need the ability to see posts on Mastadon or edit pages on the That 70's Wiki?

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                                      In addition to discoverability, I'd say it provides a happy medium between letting every rando with an IP address edit a page and requiring account creation. Part of the point of the fediverse is to have (almost) everything in one place under a single account while still keeping things decentralized.

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                                        In addition to discoverability, I'd say it provides a happy medium between letting every rando with an IP address edit a page and requiring account creation. Part of the point of the fediverse is to have (almost) everything in one place under a single account while still keeping things decentralized.

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                                        Can you elaborate on "discoverability"? Finding individual subject wikis has never been a particular problem for me. Even ones that don't use Fandom, provided they are at least active. Just googling "<insert subject> wikia" (I know. I can't let it go) always gets me what I need.

                                        Can't say I see an advantage to universal accounts (I see more disadvantages), but if that's the big selling point and people really want it. I'm not opposed to having it, i've just always treated it as a mild novelty I never use.

                                        As for decentralization, it has already been solved by MediaWiki. Which is GPL and (can be) self-hosted.

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                                          Can you elaborate on "discoverability"? Finding individual subject wikis has never been a particular problem for me. Even ones that don't use Fandom, provided they are at least active. Just googling "<insert subject> wikia" (I know. I can't let it go) always gets me what I need.

                                          Can't say I see an advantage to universal accounts (I see more disadvantages), but if that's the big selling point and people really want it. I'm not opposed to having it, i've just always treated it as a mild novelty I never use.

                                          As for decentralization, it has already been solved by MediaWiki. Which is GPL and (can be) self-hosted.

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                                          On Lemmy you can see (and search) a list of all the activity from every instance federated to your home instance. Looking at Ibis, which a few posters have mentioned on this thread, it has a discover page with a list of federated instances and articles on those instances. The current format is hardly scalable, but it's a start.

                                          But, as I said before, the issue is less about discoverability and more about editing. Just like I can post in this thread even though I'm on a different instance, you can edit an article on one instance even though you're on another. The alternative as used by Wikipedia, is to allow anyone, account or not, to edit. Requiring someone to have an account on a federated instance would mitigate a fair amount of spam and ease moderation.

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