Incident
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Yeah, let’s have concussed children take a nap
Sounds like diaper aged kids, so they bump into things all the time and will cry for 30 seconds because it was scary then forget that anything happened and be fine. You should see the way my 3 year old will run full tilt directly into things sometimes!
To quote my parent's favorite Cosby quote "all children have brain damage!"
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Yeah, I'd also rather talk with the person taking care of my child. So you can tell how they're doing, as this will reflect on your kid. I prefer those 5 minutes.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You still ignored the first half.
Regardless, if they're logging, you can talk to them about the important parts without wasting several hours of important staff time every day between all of the parents. This isn't instead of talking to them, it's in addition.
This is also just super useful for all of the staff. Did Timmy just have a snack? No he doesn't need another. Did each staff member change Timmy's diaper today? We wouldn't have known it happened 5 times without the log, because that's not something you talk about every time.
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You still ignored the first half.
Regardless, if they're logging, you can talk to them about the important parts without wasting several hours of important staff time every day between all of the parents. This isn't instead of talking to them, it's in addition.
This is also just super useful for all of the staff. Did Timmy just have a snack? No he doesn't need another. Did each staff member change Timmy's diaper today? We wouldn't have known it happened 5 times without the log, because that's not something you talk about every time.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If it's important they'll remember. Talking to people, seeing how they're doing, isn't a waste of time in my opinion. Au contraire, it's rather important!
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I turned out fine so it clearly was. Not sure how my parents knowing a minute by minute breakdown of every time I wiped my ass would have improved anything.
I turned out fine so it clearly was.
Not everyone else did.
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If it's important they'll remember. Talking to people, seeing how they're doing, isn't a waste of time in my opinion. Au contraire, it's rather important!
If it's important they'll remember.
Absolutely fucking braindead take.
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If it's important they'll remember.
Absolutely fucking braindead take.
Do you distrust the people who take care of your kid this much?
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I turned out fine so it clearly was.
Not everyone else did.
So provide more info to the special cases that need it.
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I have to log timesheets at work to say what I've been doing. I have a section everyday in my timetable schedule to fill in the timesheet. So when I'm filling in the timesheet I have to actually tell them what I was doing for that 4 minutes worth of time.
3:30 p.m. to 3:34 p.m. - filling in timesheet
Really?
This was unironically one of the worst jobs I ever worked. Management spent months trying to figure out why the night shift couldn't keep up with the same routine work day shift did.
For some reason 2 people < 25 people never really clicked.
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If I had a kid I would want them to spend as much time as possible looking after the kid. I don't need them to tell me that they're doing that, I assumed that they're doing that so I'm no better off.
Also everyone estimates those things anyway.
Sorry but it's obvious you don't have kids. You need to know when and how much formula your baby had to not overfeed them. You need to know what a toddler ate if he comes home and throws up/has diarrhea/gets a sudden rash. You need to know when his diaper was changed so you know if you need to change it again when you get home. Etc. You really need that info, and people working in daycare absolutely don't ballpark this as they need to know it as well and they have 18 other kids to take care of so they can't remember it all.
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Don't think it's system timestamps, as they're curiously rounded
I suppose it could be possible that the humans are entering it, also possible the timestamps are just being rounded by the system. Guess it's hard to say, though I still say that a daycare that includes infants can reasonably be expected to log this sort of activity in case something goes wrong that would only show up as a loss of appetite or lack of bowel movement or explaining an otherwise unrecognized injury incurred during an assasination.
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just rounding to the nearest 10 for display purposes.
I was referring to the amount of them. 3 in half an hour
For no good reason.the law says if you felt the need to do..
Luckily the law is different where I live. I'd rather have my child taken care of by a human, instead of a flowchart
Do you have a different criteria
When the caretaker feels like something important happened
Oh, I assumed you thought people were spending a lot of time entering timestamps. Do you think this is a particularly onerous process for them, or that the parents need to like, acknowledge each log? They just push a button to select the kid and tap another to select the event. Maybe type a description if it's an incident report. It's significantly easier for them than logging it any other way, and it ensures parents get the information on food, diapers and whatnot.
I am confused how you see this as care by flowchart. Daycare staff aren't medical professionals. They aren't qualified to make objective decisions about what's an "important" event to notify parents of in a consistent manner. What country are you in where the parental notification laws are "I dunno, if you feel like it I guess"?
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30 times 5 seconds is 2.5 minutes, and that's for a stupendously overworked person. Like "CPS call" levels of understaffing at what would be an unlicensed facility.
A more realistic number is under a minute per hour.that is if everything is going to plan and you just have to press the childs button and action, but you also have to get the device at the time to so you should at least add in 5 seconds for that. But again, children are not like this, so the care giver once per hour I am sure is having to type out some dumb thing this human just did, So I would say that 5 min to 10 min is spent on logging and tending the human that fell or freaked out.
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A few minutes talking to you (and every other parent at pickup) is way, way, waaaaay more time than the 5 seconds it takes to log each thing. You say "just," but your request is at least 10x as expensive.
its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.
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its your child, you should WANT to talk to these people, they are not robots, you want to know their insights and maybe how the environment and mood of the place is.
It's like you haven't read a single reply
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Oh, I assumed you thought people were spending a lot of time entering timestamps. Do you think this is a particularly onerous process for them, or that the parents need to like, acknowledge each log? They just push a button to select the kid and tap another to select the event. Maybe type a description if it's an incident report. It's significantly easier for them than logging it any other way, and it ensures parents get the information on food, diapers and whatnot.
I am confused how you see this as care by flowchart. Daycare staff aren't medical professionals. They aren't qualified to make objective decisions about what's an "important" event to notify parents of in a consistent manner. What country are you in where the parental notification laws are "I dunno, if you feel like it I guess"?
What country are you in where the parental notification laws are "I dunno, if you feel like it I guess"?
Belgium. There's no laws whatsoever that mandate notifications. They'll just tell you if something important happens
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that is if everything is going to plan and you just have to press the childs button and action, but you also have to get the device at the time to so you should at least add in 5 seconds for that. But again, children are not like this, so the care giver once per hour I am sure is having to type out some dumb thing this human just did, So I would say that 5 min to 10 min is spent on logging and tending the human that fell or freaked out.
Going based on my kids daycare, it's really not a problem. You're talking 30:1 kids to caregivers, and 8:1 is over the legal limit.
Like, I've hung out in the daycare. I've talked to the caregivers. It's not nearly the way you seem to think. They like it because it's easier than the documentation they would be keeping for their own purposes.
I'm typing this having just gotten back from dropping the kids off with them and hanging out chatting for a bit.If the kid fell and bumped his head, I'm sure they are spending about five minutes logging and tending to them. Probably 20 seconds typing after 3 or 4 minutes putting an ice pack on it, giving them a hug and letting them sit on their lap.
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It's like you haven't read a single reply
its like you havent read what I said, You should want to talk to these people, dont treat them as a resource, they are caring for your children. This is the same with their teachers, you should want to talk to them, even more than the scheduled times.
You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.
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Going based on my kids daycare, it's really not a problem. You're talking 30:1 kids to caregivers, and 8:1 is over the legal limit.
Like, I've hung out in the daycare. I've talked to the caregivers. It's not nearly the way you seem to think. They like it because it's easier than the documentation they would be keeping for their own purposes.
I'm typing this having just gotten back from dropping the kids off with them and hanging out chatting for a bit.If the kid fell and bumped his head, I'm sure they are spending about five minutes logging and tending to them. Probably 20 seconds typing after 3 or 4 minutes putting an ice pack on it, giving them a hug and letting them sit on their lap.
so wait you are saying they do have time to chat, which in a lot of these comments they state they dont have time for this. I think the logging of major things would be fine, but bathroom breaks and nap time hell all the other small things they have to log is dumb, and not really helpful if you are trying to get to the source of an issue (like bathroom incidences or they seem to be overly tired). Also I was never talking 30:1, if you look we showed its 10:1 legally.
Also how long did it take you to write that, were you on a phone or tablet? I know a lot of the people I know type really slow on a table due to how bad the keyboard is (this is not talking about a docked one). So pressing a few buttons then typing something out is like 2 to 5 min. I am just saying in the world where they dont have the time to talk to you (which I asked around and isnt the case, and you seem to say the same) they could be spending that time with the kids and then interact with me at the end/start of the day.
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its like you havent read what I said, You should want to talk to these people, dont treat them as a resource, they are caring for your children. This is the same with their teachers, you should want to talk to them, even more than the scheduled times.
You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You seem to think squeezing as much productivity out of them is the goal, but if we treated them like humans you might do better for them and in the long run your children.
I'm the one arguing that they don't deserve to be your slave... I'm sorry you feel entitled to so much of their time. They're overworked, understaffed, and have to deal with so many entitled parents.
Logging in the moment saves them literal hours. It also doesn't mean you can't talk to them, it just means you can focus on the important parts instead of wasting time that could be spent focusing on the children.
This one is mostly unrelated, but seems important: Do you think everyone's memory is infallible, or that daycare workers are superheroes?
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so wait you are saying they do have time to chat, which in a lot of these comments they state they dont have time for this. I think the logging of major things would be fine, but bathroom breaks and nap time hell all the other small things they have to log is dumb, and not really helpful if you are trying to get to the source of an issue (like bathroom incidences or they seem to be overly tired). Also I was never talking 30:1, if you look we showed its 10:1 legally.
Also how long did it take you to write that, were you on a phone or tablet? I know a lot of the people I know type really slow on a table due to how bad the keyboard is (this is not talking about a docked one). So pressing a few buttons then typing something out is like 2 to 5 min. I am just saying in the world where they dont have the time to talk to you (which I asked around and isnt the case, and you seem to say the same) they could be spending that time with the kids and then interact with me at the end/start of the day.
And over how many children? So 30 kids 5 seconds each
You literally said 30 kids.
https://childcare.gov/consumer-education/regulated-child-care/supervision-ratios-and-group-sizes
Staff:Child Ratio Group Size
Infants: Younger than 12 months old 1 adult should care for no more than 3 infants No more than 6 infants in a group or class
Toddlers: 13–35 months old 1 adult should care for no more than 4 toddlers No more than 8 toddlers in a group or classFor kids wearing diapers 8:1 is really pushing it and probably illegal anywhere in the US.
You talk about being required to log stuff when it's just something you keep track of when watching kids that age. They have routines, and they can't tell you their needs. You keep track of that stuff because you know their routine and it tells you where they are in it. 1:1 you can just remember. The second you add another adult you need to share data.
Many jurisdictions require logging (page 16) because it's best practice.
Using a computer just makes it easier and makes it so the checkout conversation can be entirely the qualitative report and conversation you seem to want it to be.You're seemingly just declaring something to be an onerous burden and pointless when it's simply not.