Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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That was what I was leaning towards. Do you (or does anyone) happen to know if it is easy to get going on Bazzite? And if so, does it play nice with a Steam controller?
Entire Kodi interface can be navigated using only arrow keys, enter, esc. If you use Steam Input, you can rebind keys. And good news, Kodi is on Flathub so you can install it with ease:
https://flathub.org/apps/tv.kodi.Kodi -
ohyeah im fully aware.
Will they actually delete it or will they just mark it in database as deleted? Are big companies like google going to send their tech workers to go through all their tapes and databases archived all around the world and prove they actually deleted your data? Are there enough consequences to ensure companies actually scrub your data rather than do the bare minimum? -
So I searched, and all of the results were talking about setting up a VPN or a reverse proxy or whatever.
The best thing is, you can't use a reverse proxy with it, it doesn't even support it.
Odd, since my Jellyfin sits behind a reverse proxy.
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Why does nobody ever mention Emby? To me, it’s everything Plex used to be before it got enshittified!
Emby
Jellyfin exists because Emby was only open source until it wasn't convenient. Some of their own devs pointed out they were violating the license, and their response was... non-ideal.
So Jellyfin was forked with the last fully open-source Emby code.
At least that's my recollection several years down the line.
I decided then that no amount of headache from Jellyfin (and let me say that I was an EARLY jellyfin adopter AND former Plex user) would be enough to get me to use Emby. (Because things like that are important to me, though I realize they aren't important to everyone.)
And reading this thread I'm apparently a super-genius because I have my Jellyfin behind a reverse proxy and serve it to my elderly parents with a simple login and an app they were able to install, and never found it to be a headache. (Which, if I'd read this thread only, I'd conclude was just not possible without voodoo magic)
No headaches along the way, and whereas Plex had already begun the march to enshittification when I left, Jellyfin has done nothing but steadily get better.
Anyhow, longer answer than intended, but I'd go back to Plex before I'd go to Emby, just on principle.
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Can someone explain to me why you need anything more than directories filled with files to view content?
I'm struggling to understand why anybody would need or want something like Plex.
I want to watch a movie. I open explorer, go to the folder movies, select the movie, and double click the icon.
The end.
You are imagining how to use a computer filled with video files.
Now imagine having your own personal netflix available on a variety of devices, using just that one computer full of video files.
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You are imagining how to use a computer filled with video files.
Now imagine having your own personal netflix available on a variety of devices, using just that one computer full of video files.
I don't have the addiction or condition that makes that compelling to me.
I can't figure out why or how that is a need people have.
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I don't have the addiction or condition that makes that compelling to me.
I can't figure out why or how that is a need people have.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Well, I can tell you how Jellyfin differs from a directory full of files, but I can't help you with understanding that other people have different preferences and desires than you which are neither "conditions" nor "addictions."
You'll have to make it to that one on your own.
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Wireguard doesn't necessarily need to have those limitations, but it will depend in part how your VPN profile is set up.
If you configured your wireguard profile to always route all traffic over the VPN then yeah, you won't be able to access local networks. And maybe that's what you want, in which case fine
But you can also set the profile to only route traffic that is destined for an address on the target network (I.e your home network) and the rest will route as normal.
This second type of routing only works properly however when there are no address conflicts between the network you are on (i.e. someone else's WiFi) and your home network.
For this reason if you want to do this it's best to avoid on your own home network the common ranges almost everyone uses as default, i.e. 192.168.0.* and 10.0.0.*
I reconfigured my home network to 192.168.22.* for that reason. Now I never hit conflicts and VPN can stay on all the time but only traversed when needed
I typically use split routing BUT also have dns set to my pihole, both so dns works for my internal services and for tracker blocking. That causes a big issue. Also I wish WireGuard would just handle failures better. Even when it can’t connect, it seems to break networking (at least on iOS)
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If jellyfin adopted HA's model of paid development, I'd be thrilled. But HA's strategy is actually pretty unique, it'll take time for that structure to be stress-tested and propagate.
Well, hey, there we agree, then. I'd say that the setup for HA is actually fairly Mozilla-like, and people don't seem thrilled with THAT, so it wasn't a given you'd agree. Plex certainly isn't that. For one thing it's commercial and closed source. But crucially HA's commercial branch WILL have a bunch of your data, including voice processing and login info, if you do buy into their paid subscription service.
As for the rest of the argument, most is redundant so I'm not gonna go through the loop again, I am actually busy. But I will add a few things. For one thing, whether I think FOSS is worth "any level of inconvenience" is irrelevant. I do, and I do live with the inconvenience in some cases. But if the goal is for FOSS to be mainstream and a primary choice (and it can absolutely be, there are plenty of examples), then it doesn't matter what I think. The reason the privacy tradeoffs make sense for Plex is that Plex is an app your family is likely to use. Mine does, and they sure won't put up with bad UX for the sake of using an open alternative. OBS didn't crush Xsplit out of the market because of ideology, it did it because it became more powerful, usable and reliable.
And let me clarify I don't "blow smoke for Plex". I opened this whole subthread by saying I wanted to use Jellyfin (hence all the testing we've been nitpicking about) but couldn't justify it. I've said this above. I'd drop Plex in a heartbeat if Jellyfin was just as good to use for me and the rest of my household. But it isn't. There's no reason to blow smoke for Plex, but there is a reason to not delusionally pretend that open source alterantives are better than they are. You're not going to gaslight normies into using them that way and the complacency just makes it less likely for them to succeed at what they're trying to do. It is, after all, the year of Linux desktop.
But crucially HA's commercial branch WILL have a bunch of your data, including voice processing and login info, if you do buy into their paid subscription service.
- their background as a nonprofit was oriented toward data privacy and portability to begin with. Their privacy policy is about as protective as they come. Compared with plex...
- they have a paid service but they offer their base product as FOSS
It would be great if JF did something similar, but I think they don't specifically because they'd be liable for their users illicit use of it. That's basically the whole reason OSS streamers exist. Plex started out that way, but when they decided they wanted to compete with the big boys they were forced to lock it down more to protect themselves against legal challenges. That's why I think you're kidding yourself if you think it's a long-term solution for streaming ripped media. That'll only last until copyright owners decide to push plex to take action against it.
But if the goal is for FOSS to be mainstream and a primary choice (and it can absolutely be, there are plenty of examples), then it doesn't matter what I think.
I don't think that should be the goal - FOSS as a model will never outcompete for-profit corporate models. IMO the goal should be to encourage people to learn the minimal amount of tech self sufficiency so that they can choose FOSS when they need it, rather than pushing FOSS to become OSS, and then eventually just SAAS. Firefox is a good example of what can go wrong with chasing mainstream adoption. There's a place for projects like Plex, but im pretty adamant that those should be halfway solutions more than end-goals. I'm fine with leaving that as a disagreement.
I'd drop Plex in a heartbeat if Jellyfin was just as good to use for me and the rest of my household. But it isn't. There's no reason to blow smoke for Plex, but there is a reason to not delusionally pretend that open source alterantives are better than they are.
Nobody is saying JF is easier to use than plex, we just prefer the flexibility and privacy and aren't bothered or slowed down by the complexity. That's fine. You just have different priorities than the rest of us. I'm glad there's an option for you.
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Not listening habits. But symphonium can do genre and general mix.
And honestly it keeps you from hearing all the same stuff in every mix like Spotify (and seemingly Plexamp) doeswrote last edited by [email protected]Very true. I’m okay with hearing the same songs. It’s when I get the intro/intermission/joke tracks I get annoyed. Plexamp has a deep cuts mix that plays the lesser known music which I’ll throw up to change it up. It’s just easy to pick a premade mix and move on to what I’m doing.
Finamp has artist/album mixer but it’s truly random. You could get the same artist 6 times in a row if that artist selection is bigger than the other artist.
That’s my must-have feature. I need to look to see if there is something already comparable out there.
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ohyeah im fully aware.
Will they actually delete it or will they just mark it in database as deleted? Are big companies like google going to send their tech workers to go through all their tapes and databases archived all around the world and prove they actually deleted your data? Are there enough consequences to ensure companies actually scrub your data rather than do the bare minimum?First of all, the European Data Protection Board have shown they are more than willing to throw their weight around issue large fines and request audits. Second of all, have you actually looked at the types of data data brokers buy and sell? Massive records of IPs, and metrics.
Like above what "amazing treasure trove of personal data" are you giving up by clicking "I Accept". Search queries of the Plex Free Movie\TV library, watch times of the same free library and whether you click on pre, mid or post roll ads. And who is going to buy and sell this? Ad providers who swear they are providing targeted advertising, but really have quotas and metrics to fill. They will end up showing irrelevant ads anyway, not because of some algorithm, but literally because the advertising industry does not give two shits about click through rates just that ads get shown.
There's so much bitching in this thread like someone from AdSense or Outbrain has personally murdered a family member, but the truth is, these places are a grift. Annoying, yes, but mostly harmless. Oh and don't try to pull "oh but governments can use this for surveillance" yes they could but as someone who has held a job a federal level tax office, they do not have the budget for profiling people like this and a corrupt government has cheaper and better options.
I will try my best to respect your opinion and what you think a "right to privacy" means but I have great trouble understanding the paranoia
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Odd, since my Jellyfin sits behind a reverse proxy.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Oh, right, it was basic auth (behind a reverse proxy, or even in general) that Jellyfin doesn't support and isn't planned to support IIRC.
Here is a GitHub issue where they said they don't plan on supporting it: https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin-android/issues/123
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Sure thing zelot
That doesn't many any sense, because I just specifically told you that it doesn't matter to anyone but you whether or not you use Jellyfin... If it mattered to me, then yeah, sure. I'd be a zealot. But I don't give a shit what you personally use.
Also, pointing out the fact that Jellyfin is pretty indisputably better for people in this specific space isn't zealotry. It's just good common sense.
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That doesn't many any sense, because I just specifically told you that it doesn't matter to anyone but you whether or not you use Jellyfin... If it mattered to me, then yeah, sure. I'd be a zealot. But I don't give a shit what you personally use.
Also, pointing out the fact that Jellyfin is pretty indisputably better for people in this specific space isn't zealotry. It's just good common sense.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think you missed the part where I said that the zelots completely ignore the legitimate reason why people use it over JF. Same reason I use it.
Also you can literally opt out of the data sharing, the button is right there. And if you don't live in a corporate shit hole like the US, data protections make sure that they won't use it without your consent or even store it because it's protected PII.
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https://blog.cloudflare.com/updated-tos
The proxy will auto-CDN content. You need to disable CDN in order to stay in line with TOS. You can use one of the available rules to "fix" this... but this will already be even more above the general person's head that it's just better to tell people to not proxy the plex/jellyfin domain at all.
Oh I think I turned off the CDN, but I'll check, thanks for the tip
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/Speedrunning destroying your platform.
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plex’s advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/"Updated “Who does Plex share or sell Personal Data with?” to include the Plex activity that you share based on your account visibility and activity settings as well as sharing/sale of certain Personal Data to third parties.
Nothing changes for Plex Accounts created before March 20, 2025 unless you change your preferences here. If you are a new user and created an account after March 20, 2025, you can update your preferences here. The types of data that we may share has not changed We do not and will not collect information about content or titles in your personal media library or what you’ve played. Personal media users: we do NOT, and will not, share or sell any information about the content and titles on or your use of a personal media server. Consent is required by all Plex Accounts created before March 20, 2025 for the sale of their data."Seems like it's just for their other services, which I already assumed they were tracking and selling view counts.
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Mmmmm gross.
I'll leave you with this, though. Shit like this is all goalposts. For now it's just "their" content and not yours. But in 12 months it's gonna be all content. And what excuse will you make for them, then?
I'll switch to jellyfin like a normal adult who actually reads the updates and not a reactionary who just reads thread titles.
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I think you missed the part where I said that the zelots completely ignore the legitimate reason why people use it over JF. Same reason I use it.
Also you can literally opt out of the data sharing, the button is right there. And if you don't live in a corporate shit hole like the US, data protections make sure that they won't use it without your consent or even store it because it's protected PII.
Also you can literally opt out of the data sharing
For now. It's always for now. You used to be able to opt out of Google data sharing too. And Reddit's. And Microsoft's. And Apple's. And your Credit Cards... The list goes on and on and on and on and on.
Soon as a large company realizes that they can vertically increase revenue by selling your data it ceases being an option. A realization that Plex will very soon learn because they've begun to sell data "optionally" for now. Then by next year, or maybe even the year after that it'll no longer be optional.
It always goes this way. Always. I can't even think of a single antithetical example.
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I don't know why everyone in the selfhosting community still even mentions Plex or uses it.
It's closed source, not free; Jellyfin is a no brainer yet people still go to Plex??
Here's why I still use Plex: for me Jellyfin hasn't been easy to work the way I want it to. I mostly access my media on an Nvidia Shield, and the Jellyfin Android TV app just refuses to play certain videos; I can play them if I use VLC as an external player, but not within the app itself. The more pressing issue is that Jellyfin just refuses to play 5.1 audio, and downmixes everything to stereo. I have other issues, but these are the ones that prevent me from using it.
For me Plex just works.
