Plex now want to SELL your personal data
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FWIW apparently this is talking about their free content, not about user content.
And that makes a difference to you?
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Tbh, the way people push Jellyfin every single time Plex is mentioned is so extremely annoying that I'm now even less inclined to use it, especially the way the JF zelots completely ignored the legit reason that most people use it.
Not sure if you understand this or not, but you using, or not using jellyfin doesn't affect anyone but you.
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ļøIf you don't wanna use it, then don't use it. You're still wrong, but that's up to you lil buddy.
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I haven't used Plex, so I'm not exactly sure what it's doing, but I'm guessing it presents you some sort of search to find the server? Isn't that pretty much the same as a domain name, just w/ a search bar instead of a URL bar? If your domain is easy to remember, I guess I don't see an issue. I've also heard you can connect to multiple servers, so maybe that's what people are talking about.
Regardless, I think Jellyfin could handle both. Get some community-funded STUN relay servers to handle discovery and implement a way (if it doesn't already) to have your client connect to multiple servers. There should also be a way to copy all the configs from one client to another (say, a QR code or UUID, settings copied over the same STUN server).
My main issue is that this could open up servers to more potential attack vectors, and Jellyfin already has some security weaknesses. But other than that, I'd be happy to help implement this sort of thing, a STUN server can be run on as little as a $5 VPS.
I haven't used Plex in a decade and I use Jellyfin, what you're describing sounds perfect. I read up a bit on STUN servers and it's what Syncthing uses, but they also mantain discovery and relay servers (and anyone can host one and can be added to the public list). Security wise they seem to be doing fine?(I'm not an expert, just an informed user)
Idk what combo Jellyfin would benefit the most from; are relay servers needed? The workload is similar but probably higher on average, people stream more often than they do backups
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What is wrong with Jellyfin's TV app? I use it on my Android TV and I don't have any problems
Not available for my Samsung or the kid's Visio TVs
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NordVPN is better than Mullvad
Off topic, but what? Is Nord doing wacky shit with network settings?
I'm not a security expert but my guts (and the many things I read about this stuff over many years) tell me that cheap highly marketed VPNs like Nord seek the less informed users that sign up because half of their favorite youtubers sent them there, the default M.O. is install the (proprietary) app. It might be possible to use them safely but it's not what's happening to 99% of the customers.
They operate in grey legal areas, there are many scandals over the years, they write in their TOS that they can change the terms themselves without notice, if you use their service, you agree at any time.
When I wrote that they do what they want w your network, this is what I'm referring to; idk about the "settings", more like selling access to your residential line (perhaps to other VPN customers)
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And that makes a difference to you?
It does, yeah.
If they are providing the content, they can see that they are providing the content and that much is obvious.
If you are providing the content, you wouldn't expect that they can identify what you are watching.
That's the difference to me, yeah.
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Understandable. I don't worry that much myself since I haven't heard anything bad happening yet. And with ro rights to media, potential damage at least should be pretty limited.
And with ro rights to media, potential damage at least should be pretty limited.
Depends entirely on where you live I would think.
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I wonder if having a āsign inā page within jellyfin that just fronts a wireguard configuration panel, saves the creds, and automatically connects and routes app traffic over the vpn iface is a remotely viable idea.
That sounds good to me, we use wireguard in the family when out and about to access my homeserver, but I'd love if Jellyfin could create ad-hoc tunnels, it'd make us feel safe enough sharing our libraries with friends, perhaps it will convince many Plex users too. What are funkwhale users doing to share their music for example?
The other commenter wrote about STUN servers (IP), I've seen that Syncthing uses them as well, together with discovery and relay servers. Would wireguard be used at any of this stages or standalone? Personally I have no idea, I'm just an observant user
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I have a lifetime Plex pass but still I am considering switching.
Currently I have both Jellyfin and Plex on the same libraries but Jellyfin doesnāt have support for chromecast (on iOS and Firefox) nor support for offline . (Not) covering neither my at home nor travelling use cases
I think you can use Infuse on iOS to chromecast. Iām not sure if thatās behind the subscription though.
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Also a lifetime Plex holder. Plex wouldn't let me watch my local content without authenticating the other day... But my internet went out and I couldn't. Decided I'd swap to Jellyfin the first chance I could (couldn't that day because no internet)... So that's what I did today. It was painless and I'm never going back to Plex.
Disclaimer, I don't need access outside of my house so I didn't set any of the remote stuff up.
Yeah, if youāre 100% local, thatās basically the ideal use case for Jellyfin. Plex really shines when it comes to remote access. But if you never use that, then thereās very little reason to use it over Jellyfin.
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plexās advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/wrote last edited by [email protected]Oh, you expect proprietary software to behave nicely? Thatās cute!
Iāll just be over here with Jellyfin, watching the chaos unfold with my popcorn!
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It does, yeah.
If they are providing the content, they can see that they are providing the content and that much is obvious.
If you are providing the content, you wouldn't expect that they can identify what you are watching.
That's the difference to me, yeah.
Mmmmm gross.
I'll leave you with this, though. Shit like this is all goalposts. For now it's just "their" content and not yours. But in 12 months it's gonna be all content. And what excuse will you make for them, then?
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plexās advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/The downfall of Plex needs to be compiled into an 80 minute YouTube video with sponsors spaced in for NordVPN and Viagra
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It literally gives you a gigantic āhey we want to sell your data. Do you want to allow thatā prompt when you open it. They didnāt even make the āno, donāt sell my dataā button grey and tiny like so many cookie prompts do. Plex went out of their way to put it up front and center, instead of quietly burying it in an obscure opt-out. There are plenty of perfectly valid complaints about Plexā¦ But if a company wants to sell my data, (and hereās a spoiler warning: They all want to) this is how it should be handled.
Interesting. I'll have to look for that. I don't believe I've actually seen the prompt yet.
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Not sure if you understand this or not, but you using, or not using jellyfin doesn't affect anyone but you.
āļøIf you don't wanna use it, then don't use it. You're still wrong, but that's up to you lil buddy.
Sure thing zelot
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plexās advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/Got rid of Plex a long time ago. Trash ass program
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"enshittification wont happen to my software of choice"
hahahaha... those ppl with discord, iphones, windows,plex....they wont learn.
android is risking enshittification too if google keeps trying to close down it's development. nothing is safe unless it is free of greedy corporations
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Yeah it was over after pixel 3 or a little before iirc! Although to me it was obvious they would eventually kill it off because that's soooo much storage. It was just a trick to get people bought into Google photos (which is a great service but much too expensive for me and now basically totally replaced by Immich)
damn I've been out of the loop on that one for a while! Agreed, I set up Immich and it's pretty much a drop-in replacement now
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Yeah it was over after pixel 3 or a little before iirc! Although to me it was obvious they would eventually kill it off because that's soooo much storage. It was just a trick to get people bought into Google photos (which is a great service but much too expensive for me and now basically totally replaced by Immich)
How has immich been compared to photoprism? My issue with immich is that new releases kept breaking things. Has it finally stabilized? Lts are super important to me as I donāt want to spend every weekend reconfiguring services for my family.
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Text:
I consent to Plex to: (i) sell certain personal information (hashed emails, advertising identifiers) to third-parties for advertising and marketing purposes; and (ii) store and/or access certain personal information (advertising identifiers, IP address, content being watched) on my device(s) and share that information with Plexās advertising partners. This data is used to deliver personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Your consent applies to all devices on which you have Plex installed. You can withdraw your consent at any time in
Account Settings or using this page.Soure: https://www.plex.tv/vendors/
(Might have to clear cache)Can also read about the changes here:
https://www.plex.tv/about/privacy-legal/Iām a big fan of Jellyfin. I would say it is easily family approved. That is for my family in my household who is using it on our home Wi-Fi.
But I am not about to expose it publicly. I have WireGuard set up on my immediate familyās devices and that is mostly ok (until you get on a public Wi-Fi that fails because you havenāt gone through their portal and canāt because the vpn is on, or you are on an airplaneās Wi-Fi with no internet trying to watch their movies and it doesnāt work until you turn off the vpn). Explaining this to my wife has been a nonstop battle.
Iād like it open it up to my siblings families, especially because I have the ersatztv plug-in to create approved child stations, but so many smart tvs and devices donāt support a vpn. How have others handled that situation?
