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They're trying to normalize calling vibe coding a "programming paradigm," don't let them.

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      Tf is "return oriented"?

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        Branding, my dude. It’s called vulnerability as a service

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          Tf is "return oriented"?

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          When you write code for a "runtime" that wasn't intended to run your code.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dcj19KGKWM

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            I mean, if my boss understands that the output of vibe coding rarely works, i'm happy to chat with the AI all day if I keep the same salary.

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              When you write code for a "runtime" that wasn't intended to run your code.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dcj19KGKWM

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              Seems like not a real programming paradigm, and I don't mean in a No True Scotsman way. It really is in a separate category of thing. Could've said logic programming or stack-oriented programming.

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                Seems like not a real programming paradigm, and I don't mean in a No True Scotsman way. It really is in a separate category of thing. Could've said logic programming or stack-oriented programming.

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                Yeah fair enough now that I think more about it. IDK I just find the concept really cool so I included it.

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                  Branding, my dude. It’s called vulnerability as a service

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                  VaaS the Stampede

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                    Yeah fair enough now that I think more about it. IDK I just find the concept really cool so I included it.

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                    you could've had declarative (e.g. ReactJS, Jetpack Compose) lol

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                      Branding, my dude. It’s called vulnerability as a service

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                      Oh, a logical time bomb!!!

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                        I mean, if my boss understands that the output of vibe coding rarely works, i'm happy to chat with the AI all day if I keep the same salary.

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                        Until they start demanding 10x output in the same timetable

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                          Until they start demanding 10x output in the same timetable

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                          that's not vibe coding then. And AI can be used like a junior dev, you give it simple instructions and check everything it does. Using it like that can probably boost performance of already good seniors, but not by the factor 10.

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                            I mean, if my boss understands that the output of vibe coding rarely works, i'm happy to chat with the AI all day if I keep the same salary.

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                            NGL I'm waiting for the first lawsuit where an engineer is sued by a company by vibe coding as they were told and caused irreparable harm to the company as the whole product has to be redone from the ground up.

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                              You lost me at return oriented programming. Getting something working out of that is way more difficult than doing it out of vib coding. (Way more impressive though)

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                                When you write code for a "runtime" that wasn't intended to run your code.

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dcj19KGKWM

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                                When you write code for a “runtime” that wasn’t intended to run your code.

                                That definition would be too broad, as includes any type of exploit.

                                In ROP, you modify the stack to write return addresses and then return to jump to the first of these addresses, the return addresses go to parts of the executable that end with a return instruction (gadgets), so it will always return to the next of your return address.

                                (That video is maybe not the easiest introduction to ROP.)

                                Having ROP in here as normal programming paradigm, as opposed to vibe coding, made the meme so much better.

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                                  you could've had declarative (e.g. ReactJS, Jetpack Compose) lol

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                                  Terraform

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                                    Yeah fair enough now that I think more about it. IDK I just find the concept really cool so I included it.

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                                    It's fine memes are permitted to make jokes and it's more of a paradigm than vibe coding.

                                    The one paradigm that's actually missing is logic programming, I would've gotten rid of unstructured to include it. The whole paradigm thing really only started with Dijkstra's rant about unstructured gotos (not the ones C has, in C you can't jump to the middle of another function).

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                                      NGL I'm waiting for the first lawsuit where an engineer is sued by a company by vibe coding as they were told and caused irreparable harm to the company as the whole product has to be redone from the ground up.

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                                      But the product is also redone from the ground up by vibe coding because lessons are impossible to learn and corporate is infallible.

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                                        VaaS the Stampede

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                                        Vaush the Stampede

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                                          No love for the 'declarative' programming paradigm? You can actually do some useful work with SQL or Ansible...

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