German security officials believe the Kremlin is laying the groundwork for a potential large-scale conventional war with NATO by the end of the decade
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They burned through their Soviet stockpiles of artillery and tanks in 3 years fighting Ukraine, what makes anyone think they could fight NATO?
Well China is ready to make bank
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With what? I read yesterday they were not able to keep up with the losses from just fighting the ukraine.
American tanks
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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996
German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.
Me too, I believe that. Anyone with half a brain believes that.
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American tanks
I wish I wasn't so sure you were right.
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Elsewhere on Lemmy today;
Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses
Both of these cannot be true.
Hmm who do we know that will sell anything that isn't tied down and currently controls the US government and is buddy buddy with Putin? No, not Satan, but you are close!
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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996
German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.
Honestly, I believe Europe needs to go on the offensive, we need a single unified offensive against Moscow with the intent of crippling the KGB and arresting Putin. They are both too dangerous to be left to their own devices.
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Well China is ready to make bank
I don't think Russia has money either from all the sanctions. This all strikes me as extremely unlikely. They can't even get through Ukraine lol.
But maybe they're just exaggerating to justify war spending just in case.
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Hmm who do we know that will sell anything that isn't tied down and currently controls the US government and is buddy buddy with Putin? No, not Satan, but you are close!
Nah dude killing people is God's department Satan just smokes gay weed
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Redo the calculations with the USA fighting on Russia's side, and things start to look different.
Trump seems to be consolidating to focus on Iran (and it's allies) and China. He's not going to fight Europe. If anything, he'll try to get them to help by threatening NATO membership or something.
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Honest question. If Russia nuked Krakow, would America retaliate with nukes? Would France? England?
I don't think so. It's not even clear nato would declare conventional war.
Mutually assured destruction only works for countries with nukes. Am alliance is no real deterance.
What did Kraków do to you
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Honestly, I believe Europe needs to go on the offensive, we need a single unified offensive against Moscow with the intent of crippling the KGB and arresting Putin. They are both too dangerous to be left to their own devices.
The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.
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The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.
Oh it does exist just not officially. Someone has to help everyone fall after windows
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Well China is ready to make bank
China doesn't want to war between Europe and Russia.
It would force Europe to rapidly develop military capability and when Europ inevitably won that war, it would still have a vast military and might be feeling a bit touchy about dictatorships. China likes the world as it is right now, they have a lot of long-term plans and Russia suddenly seating to exist would mess all those plans up.
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The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.
Officially.
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Yeah? And if you're wrong we're fucked. To be clear it's not that you or I could do anything about it. We're just either fucked or going to have the world's biggest laugh at the Russians.
What's the alternative alternative? Roll over and let Russia invade? Then we're all fucked anyway. Might as well take the chance of standing up instead of dying lying down.
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Nah dude killing people is God's department Satan just smokes gay weed
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Nah dude killing people is God's department Satan just smokes gay weed
TBF I explicitly said "Not Satan."
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What's the alternative alternative? Roll over and let Russia invade? Then we're all fucked anyway. Might as well take the chance of standing up instead of dying lying down.
Yeah. I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm just mad.
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Oh it does exist just not officially. Someone has to help everyone fall after windows
Sure, but why not use the names of the actual current Russian intelligence services? FSB, GRU, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_agencies_of_Russia
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There's no way the US military would side with Russia, even if ordered to.
I agree. People underestimate how our perspectives of war have shifted tremendously in the past century. The ideological shift towards xenophobia and nationalism in recent years is undeniable, but it lacks the context of the world prior to the world wars.
War was the default state. It was expected. Not just colonization, oppression, or revolution. No. Prior to the 20th century, humanity had experienced a nearly constant stream of full-scale, all-out, nation-making and nation-breaking wars.
In the modern day, American "wars" happen in deserts and distant places. There is a level of cognitive dissonance in the public and military consciousness, a separation of "us" vs. "them", a facade of bringing "justice and peace". There is, always, a one-sidedness to the engagement. Even when America "loses", it has no fear of a counterattack, because in every case it is merely "protecting democracy", as opposed to actually being at war.
The implicit biases against empathizing with other people - especially impoverished non-white refugees - have kept the nation from properly grappling with its history of tyranny. Many people have always believed in the greatness of the Land of the Free, simply because they could physically and emotionally distance themselves from the victims of "freedom".
An American invasion of Europe would completely shatter the Union. Full stop. No amount of xenophobic lies can prepare the troops and civilians fast enough for such a dramatic cultural and ideological shift. The rhetoric will ramp up, the core supporters will rabble rouse, and the soundbites will be bloodthirsty, but the actual bloodthirst won't be there among the rest of the population or the military.
War was easy to sell to Germany because it was billed as the only way out from the under the oppressive burdens of the last war. War was in the public mind. It was living memory of everyone else on the planet banding together to screw over Germany in particular.
War will not be so easy to sell here. Americans literally identify themselves as European Americans. They're italian and irish and german. They want to visit, they want to find love, they want to dine in Paris and party in Dublin and see the Vatican. American soldiers are literally stationed all across the region partying with the locals.
We don't remember war as a culture. We remember oppression, and "police actions", and Vietnam. But we don't remember world war, and we can't imagine London or New York falling. That will all change if we attack our friends, and the cultural and ideological whiplash would tear the nation to pieces.
